Five reasons to keep Triano - Page 3
Old 03-30-2011, 09:13 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Players are not good on defence, that's a sure thing, but this team seems not to have a clue on how to play team defence, i mean you're not a good defensive player so you can't accomplish your duty (as a single player) and this for sure compromise the defensive plan, but too often seems to be no defensive plan other than one on one defence and this is on the coach, unless players don't follow a bit what the coach say. Even Bargs (I know I know) too often is defendig a wing player outside the paint, is this a good game plan?
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:28 AM   #42 (permalink)
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If you look at his nearly 3 seasons altogether, he's been a disaster. This season he should have some slack even though he's still pretty shit, but the team is young. But prior to this season he had decent teams that imo underachieved, especially defensively. If this was his first season, then yeah. But after 3 seasons, i've certainly seen enough of him and his "defensive philosophy". Then again let him hang himself next season, we're not gonna win a championship anyway. Whatever.
"Underachieved"?

Out of curiosity how many games did you expect us to win in those last 2-3 seasons with one all-star and a bunch of spares?
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Old 03-30-2011, 09:31 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Putting aside all the stats showing the Raptors are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and players looking lost on defense after two seasons (poor defensive rotations, boxing out, open looks), Triano has given no defenive accountability to the three players you mentioned above. I think another season where these three players continuing their bad habits and the influence they will have on the younger players is determental for the future of the team. We have lost more than 50 games this year. The GM has stated this is a rebuilding year. Instead of trying to win meaningless games, send the message, restrict their minutes, instead of giving them all the touches, shots, and playing time. If you don't have the balls to do that, they you are best suited for assistant coach.
Who is he supposed to play when the whole damn team misses assignments on D?

And if Bargs, Jose and DD are all on the bench who the heck is going to score?

Catch-22.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:10 AM   #44 (permalink)
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I am all for getting rid of triano, and i like the guy.
When you got a team of young guys like we do, i also think we need a veteran coach. I dont think the team is pushed hard enough. and some of the players need that.

I wonder what smitch would do.
Other than Doug Collins, name me one veteran coach in the league who has a team of predominantly young players playing at a high level...
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:20 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Other than Doug Collins, name me one veteran coach in the league who has a team of predominantly young players playing at a high level...
Denver?
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:23 AM   #46 (permalink)
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OKC's doing alright for themselves. It is Brooksie's third or fourth year there, isn't it?

Memphis is also playing decently.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:27 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:38 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Name me one team besides Philly who has a veteran coach and the first team jeff names is Philly and then also mentions Indiana who has a rookie coach.

Good work, bud.

All the teams mentioned have multiple veterans in their starting lineups and on the bench and I wouldn't call Brooks a veteran coach.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:40 AM   #49 (permalink)
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Even raps have some vets on the team in the starting lineup and on the bench.
George Karl says you nothing?
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I cant recall who said it in this thread but about players not wanting to play in T.O...........if that is the case then it is time to get rid of BC.

I like Triano...........but he has never been put in a situation to succeed. BC has constantly put together teams of mostly has beens or never beens that show absolutely no defensive effort or responsibility./accountability.

The problem....as i see it, is that BC is never going to put together what it takes to be a consistent winner because his ego gets in the way. Bargs isn't the answer, Demar is not the answer and neither is Davis. They all could be decent parts but as focal members of your team if those are your main dudes IMO we are in big trouble.

What i would like to see is someone brought in (new GM) who will completely gut the roster and more importantly bring a whole new defensive first mentality to a team that desperately needs an extreme makeover. As much as i like Triano he would need to either be regulated to an assistant or given another position within the organization.


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Old 03-30-2011, 10:49 AM   #51 (permalink)
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We have 3 players in the starting lineup that have been in the league 5+ years.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:54 AM   #52 (permalink)
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We have 3 players in the starting lineup that have been in the league 5+ years.
Amir who is 23 years old and played 11 games is his first two season is hardly considered a veteran.

And according to you, Andrea and Jose are two of the worst players ever.

Nice work, yet again.
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Old 03-30-2011, 10:57 AM   #53 (permalink)
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Amir who is 23 years old and played 11 games is his first two season is hardly considered a veteran.

And according to you, Andrea and Jose are two of the worst players ever.

Nice work, yet again.
What does how good or bad they are have to do with their experience.
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:06 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Who is he supposed to play when the whole damn team misses assignments on D?

And if Bargs, Jose and DD are all on the bench who the heck is going to score?

Catch-22.
If you are going to set the example, you set it at the top. Thibodeau benched Rose (MVP this season) in the fourth quarter for not playing defense. Message was received. If things are going to change, you're top guys have to buy into your plan. Scoring? Its meaningless games.
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I'm not a triano supporter nor a hater cuz so far in his tenure, nothing has showed whether his a good coach or not. Is the team the way it is because the team just sucks? the coaching sucks? or both? we simply don't know....
It's in my opinion that good coaching will make a difference when you have a good team. Only then will it show if a coach is good or not.

Remember when you're a kid and theres always that one kid thats decked out in the best and expensive equipment for whatever sport and he's the one that sucks. (thats when you have a good team and people realize the coach sucks)
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someone who's good at basketball is going to make better use of a pair of $200 sneakers then someone who sucks (thats when a good coach will take a good team further)

so my point right now is, we don't know what category triano falls in

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What does how good or bad they are have to do with their experience.
It has lots to do with it.

You don't think Nene, Martin, Harrington, Felton, Andersen and J.R Smith have a more profound effect than two pylons?
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Old 03-30-2011, 11:18 AM   #57 (permalink)
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I'm not a triano supporter nor a hater cuz so far in his tenure, nothing has showed whether his a good coach or not. Is the team the way it is because the team just sucks? the coaching sucks? or both? we simply don't know....
It's in my opinion that good coaching will make a difference when you have a good team. Only then will it show if a coach is good or not.

Remember when you're a kid and theres always that one kid thats decked out in the best and expensive equipment for whatever sport and he's the one that sucks. (thats when you have a good team and people realize the coach sucks)
or
someone who's good at basketball is going to make better use of a pair of $200 sneakers then someone who sucks (thats when a good coach will take a good team further)

so my point right now is, we don't know what category triano falls in
Then why is it that after his first couple seasons here Mitchel was hated? He probably had less talent. Then he got a little more talent and we started winning and he was still deemed a bad coach, and when he won COY it was atributed to the division, and when we were .500 the following season and we made the playoffs again nobody wanted him back. So his first 4yrs, 2 playoff appearences, division title, COY award and he wasn't wanted here by many. And now when Triano has shown a lot worse in 3 seasons it's everyones fault but his.
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Then why is it that after his first couple seasons here Mitchel was hated? He probably had less talent. Then he got a little more talent and we started winning and he was still deemed a bad coach, and when he won COY it was atributed to the division, and when we were .500 the following season and we made the playoffs again nobody wanted him back. So his first 4yrs, 2 playoff appearences, division title, COY award and he wasn't wanted here by many. And now when Triano has shown a lot worse in 3 seasons it's everyones fault but his.
i don't know how any of this has to do with what i said
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i don't know how any of this has to do with what i said
Because you say you don't know what to think of Triano after 3 seasons, yet when Mitchel had shit talent eveyone made their minds up damn fast even after he started getting results. I just find that strange. Just a general observation.

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Never thought i would say this.. but
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