Five reasons to keep Triano - Page 2
Old 03-29-2011, 11:02 PM   #21 (permalink)
useless

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,200
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
WTF are you talking about. Under him we've been one of the worst defensive teams in recent history. His teams look lost out there, even prior to this season with more veteran players. His late game decisions on the defensive end are often terrible. Until this season, he often times was awful at knowing when to go zone and didn't use it enough, especially last season.To put it simply, the guy is lost on how to coach defense and has been for 3 seasons.


Oh, and this too.....
What he's talking about is that you never point out specific decisions that Jay makes as being faulty. Offering up more of the same in response just proves his point.

The fact is that you don't know what you're talking about.

You're not at practice.

You're not on the bench.

You don't know what plays are being called.

You don't know what the assistants are recommending.

All you can see is what all of us can see. Basketball players playing basketball. Leave it at that.

Your posts regarding Jay Triano are numerous, tiring and without merit.
EggsToTheBBQ is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 11:07 PM   #22 (permalink)
better than you

Senior Member
 
eazy187's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 893
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiggmo View Post
Hearing that every years is just plain annoying....
Last season was Jay's first full one as head coach and the Raptors were 40-42. This season, after losing Chris Bosh and numerous injuries, the Raptors have had a rough time.

Anyone that thinks we were gonna get better after losing our best player is crazy. That's why I want to see what he'll do after a few moves over the summer.
eazy187 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 11:10 PM   #23 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,771
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ View Post
What he's talking about is that you never point out specific decisions that Jay makes as being faulty. Offering up more of the same in response just proves his point.

The fact is that you don't know what you're talking about.

You're not at practice.

You're not on the bench.

You don't know what plays are being called.

You don't know what the assistants are recommending.

All you can see is what all of us can see. Basketball players playing basketball. Leave it at that.

Your posts regarding Jay Triano are numerous, tiring and without merit.
Without merit? We suck defensively, no? And have under him for what, 220 games now. Oh and i'm not at practice is about as weak an argument as anything ever said on this board. None of us are, therefore nobody should critisize any coach, period. Leave it at that? Players playng basketball? So we can't question the coach whatsoever i suppose. And sorry, but over the last 2+ seasons i've talked about specifics about Triano's rotations, questionable decision making and overall ineptitude. If you didn't see them or deem them good enough, tough titty.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 11:27 PM   #24 (permalink)
useless

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 1,200
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
Without merit? We suck defensively, no?
The Raptors have had a weak front line the entire time Jay's been coach. Bargnani is historically bad, and Bosh avoided contact. JO was alright, but he was injured most of the time he was here. No coach can turn a front line like that into defensive stoppers. Blaming the coach is just avoiding the issue.

Also, you forget to mention that the Raptors were doing very well last year before Bosh quit on the team. That was despite the Hedo situation, despite having a rookie SG, and despite the PG controversy.

What you do isn't "questioning". It's blaming. And you can't back it up with logical arguments.
EggsToTheBBQ is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 11:31 PM   #25 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,771
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ View Post
The Raptors have had a weak front line the entire time Jay's been coach. Bargnani is historically bad, and Bosh avoided contact. JO was alright, but he was injured most of the time he was here. No coach can turn a front line like that into defensive stoppers. Blaming the coach is just avoiding the issue.

Also, you forget to mention that the Raptors were doing very well last year before Bosh quit on the team. That was despite the Hedo situation, despite having a rookie SG, and despite the PG controversy.

What you do isn't "questioning". It's blaming. And you can't back it up with logical arguments.
So saying he's awful with his rotation, he's got bad decision making late in games, his players for 3 season have for the most part look lost out there the majority of the time, players openly questioning him last season. Those are not logical arguments to you. Whatever, defend him all you want. Enjoy. As for the weak front court, Mitchell had this team playing better defense with Bargs (in his 1st two seasons) and Bosh. Why did Triano have so much trouble.

Last edited by jeffb; 03-29-2011 at 11:34 PM.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 11:56 PM   #26 (permalink)
pounding the rock!

Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 179
Representing:
Default

Let's change the thread title to: "Five Excuses for Triano's Failure"
dpoc is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2011, 11:57 PM   #27 (permalink)
Waiting for DD's 1st in game wind mill Dunk

Senior Member

 
halphbreedballer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: T.O.
Posts: 4,786
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jeffb View Post
So saying he's awful with his rotation, he's got bad decision making late in games, his players for 3 season have for the most part look lost out there the majority of the time, players openly questioning him last season. Those are not logical arguments to you. Whatever, defend him all you want. Enjoy. As for the weak front court, Mitchell had this team playing better defense with Bargs (in his 1st two seasons) and Bosh. Why did Triano have so much trouble.
Sam I remember yelled at his team & it worked for a couple of years, then came Triano who is a good offensive coach but not a good defensive coach...

I believe Triano is more of a specialty coach meaning he is not quite head coach material...
Alex English anyone?
halphbreedballer is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 02:13 AM   #28 (permalink)
Bang Bang Bang, Skeet Skeet Skeet, She do that thing for 3 retweets...

Blunted Member
 
Dutches's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Here
Posts: 997
Representing:
Default

I really like Jay as a person and an X's and O's guy.

But at this point I think its safe to say his strength's lie as an assistant coach.

I am indifferent if we bring him back next year or not, just as long as he's not our long term guy.
Dutches is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 02:24 AM   #29 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 895
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by dpoc View Post
Let's change the thread title to: "Five Excuses for Triano's Failure"
exactly what i was thinking

JT is just not head coach material plain and simple
jrob23 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 07:40 AM   #30 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,771
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by halphbreedballer View Post
Sam I remember yelled at his team & it worked for a couple of years, then came Triano who is a good offensive coach but not a good defensive coach...

I believe Triano is more of a specialty coach meaning he is not quite head coach material...
Alex English anyone?
Bad defensive coach? You're gonna have to be more specific, that's too vague. Give us a short essay on why you believe this to be true.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 07:44 AM   #31 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

I think the players are worse at playing defense than the coach is at coaching defense.

Just my $0.02.
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 07:52 AM   #32 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,771
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fancylad View Post
I think the players are worse at playing defense than the coach is at coaching defense.

Just my $0.02.
You must admit though that it goes both ways, no? And let's face it, when a team is the worst defensive team in the league for the better part of 3 seasons the coach has to get some blame and accountability. I still say Triano will be back next season but still say he's not the coach that will be here when we start winning.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 07:57 AM   #33 (permalink)
blah!

nosce te ipsum


 
fancylad's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: east side.
Posts: 14,623
Representing:
Default

I admit that Colangelo should be the one accountable for everything.
fancylad is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 08:02 AM   #34 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,771
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by fancylad View Post
I admit that Colangelo should be the one accountable for everything.
Him as well. But if Jay gets excuses, so should Colangelo since his options for the roster are limited due to half the league not wanting to play here. And since the coach isn't accountable either, let's fire everyone and start anew.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 08:24 AM   #35 (permalink)
LX
synapse jelly

In the Paint


 
LX's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Toronto
Posts: 28,298
Representing:
Default

Half the league doesn't want to play here? That seems a little far-fetched.
LX is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 08:27 AM   #36 (permalink)
is praying Ross makes us forget Drummond so people stop whining

Senior Member
 
jeffb's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: YO MAMMA
Posts: 74,771
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by LX View Post
Half the league doesn't want to play here? That seems a little far-fetched.
Ok, half of the very good players and none of the stars want to play here. Pretty much, players that are in demand and have options usually won't come here unless we overpay.

Last edited by jeffb; 03-30-2011 at 08:31 AM.
jeffb is online now   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 09:18 AM   #37 (permalink)
contemplating

The Killing Joke

 
Claudius's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Burkina Faso, Disputed Zone
Posts: 10,030
Representing:
Send a message via MSN to Claudius
Default

I have yet to read why he's a bad 'defensive' coach right now.

Right, statistically he's had the worst team on defense. But again, how can you play good defense when DeRozan, Caldeorn and Bargnani are TERRIBLE defenders right now?

I'm not saying Triano is the world's greatest coach. He isn't. However, blame him for things he can control, not things he can't.
Claudius is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 10:01 AM   #38 (permalink)
Mean Muggin with his son

Swollen Member
 
b55bgc's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: The Rock AKA Newfoundland
Posts: 1,400
Representing:
Default

I am all for getting rid of triano, and i like the guy.
When you got a team of young guys like we do, i also think we need a veteran coach. I dont think the team is pushed hard enough. and some of the players need that.

I wonder what smitch would do.
b55bgc is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 10:11 AM   #39 (permalink)
far away

Senior Member
 
archie63's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Panama City
Posts: 981
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Claudius View Post
I have yet to read why he's a bad 'defensive' coach right now.

Right, statistically he's had the worst team on defense. But again, how can you play good defense when DeRozan, Caldeorn and Bargnani are TERRIBLE defenders right now?

I'm not saying Triano is the world's greatest coach. He isn't. However, blame him for things he can control, not things he can't.
Players are not good on defence, that's a sure thing, but this team seems not to have a clue on how to play team defence, i mean you're not a good defensive player so you can't accomplish your duty (as a single player) and this for sure compromise the defensive plan, but too often seems to be no defensive plan other than one on one defence and this is on the coach, unless players don't follow a bit what the coach say. Even Bargs (I know I know) too often is defendig a wing player outside the paint, is this a good game plan?
archie63 is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2011, 10:12 AM   #40 (permalink)
is pounding the rock!

Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,784
Representing:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Claudius View Post
I have yet to read why he's a bad 'defensive' coach right now.

Right, statistically he's had the worst team on defense. But again, how can you play good defense when DeRozan, Caldeorn and Bargnani are TERRIBLE defenders right now?

I'm not saying Triano is the world's greatest coach. He isn't. However, blame him for things he can control, not things he can't.
Putting aside all the stats showing the Raptors are one of the worst defensive teams in the NBA and players looking lost on defense after two seasons (poor defensive rotations, boxing out, open looks), Triano has given no defenive accountability to the three players you mentioned above. I think another season where these three players continuing their bad habits and the influence they will have on the younger players is determental for the future of the team. We have lost more than 50 games this year. The GM has stated this is a rebuilding year. Instead of trying to win meaningless games, send the message, restrict their minutes, instead of giving them all the touches, shots, and playing time. If you don't have the balls to do that, they you are best suited for assistant coach.
RAPMAN is offline   Boss Key Wife Key Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:59 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.1
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright RaptorsForum.com 2005-2011

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24