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Old 11-26-2009, 05:04 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I was using the Celtics example to dispell the excuse that the Raptors poor defense was because they have 9 new players. Good defense comes from:

-good coaching
-leadership/accountability
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-commitment from the players
Sorry I guess I didn't read enough of the thread. I totally agree with you. The 9 new player excuse is well ... an excuse and a very bad one.

Especially if you consider the fact rosters in the NBA don't stay together as long as they used to in the 80s and 90s. Also, I'd say the "gelling" of a team consists to maybe 2 or 3 wins in the year at best.
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Old 11-26-2009, 05:05 PM   #62 (permalink)
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LOL I called it in the Game Day thread. I knew someone was going to make a Fire Triano thread. Right now he won't be fired but a couple more losses and he's def. close to getting fired
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Old 11-26-2009, 06:01 PM   #63 (permalink)
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The Celtics took it to the next level because of their defense. It all happened in one year. Ray Allen and Paul Pierce were never known as defensive stoppers, but Paul Pierce & Jerome Posey did a great job on Kobe in the Finals. All the players were commited on the defensive end of the floor. They had Thibodeau to set the defensive game plan, and they had Garnett to make all his teammates accountable on defense. The Celtics didn't win the championship based solely on their offense, its because they were the best defensive team in the NBA that year.
Make no mistake... when I said "HOF players" I wasn't referring JUST to their skill on the offensive end.

You look at the starting 5 that the Celtics had/have.... Pierce, KG, Allen, Rondo, Perkins.

The ONLY guy there who isn't a big-time defender is Allen.

Pierce came into the league knowing how to play good defense. That was why some people preferred him over VC when they were both coming up. Pierce played on both ends.

Then you bring Posey and Leon Powe in off the bench who were also VERY solid.. and now Rasheed this season.... it's a no-brainer that they'd be great defensively.

Our team doesn't compare. The Raps can certainly get better but I don't think that they'll ever be a top 3 defensive squad... not with this roster.

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Old 11-26-2009, 06:20 PM   #64 (permalink)
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Yes, this is the best solution we have. It did wonders for us last year.

Have you also never entertained the fact that Colangelo would be a dumbass for doing this? The fact that he fired Mitchell last year after a rocky start (too early IMO, though I didn't like the guy) and his team still had a shitty season showed wonders to his administrative abilities. Chalk up an X there. So now you want him to fire a coach he put his support behind, along with 9 new players which were supposed to make this team a "contender" and you want/expect him to fire Triano 15 games into the season as he did Mitchell?! Two firings in two consecutive years?! If this team were to have a dismal season again, which can hardly be said of their performance thus far this year, who do you think would be on the chopping block next? Then you'd have MLSE contracting some asshole they knew from the "inside" whose name will likely be "Gord" (it's a fact we had an assistant with this name) and we'll produce even shittier results.

Yes, fire Triano - the best idea yet this season
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Old 11-26-2009, 07:50 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Today, indeed is a bad day for logical thinking.

Seriously, what if BC went to Bosh, asked for Bosh's opinion and HE said, y'know, I like Triano. Sign him.

What then? I'm honestly curious.

Or would we then blame BC for listening and trying to keep his best player (and FA) happy?

Some of you guys here, honestly, just react. Don't think. But react. It's hilarious and frightening to see because I wonder if this is how some people here react in their everday lives outside of sport.

The fact of the matter is, Toronto has had one of the hardest schedules in the NBA both traveling wise and I believe record wise. When he had Sam in BC's first full year we weren't .500 until like the end of December and then won 47 or whatever games it was. Why not judge the team at the end of the year? How many times have I seen the Spurs under Popovich play poorly? How about the Jazz under Sloan? Hell, look up Sloan's rookie year.

But no, all of a sudden, we've become experts. Listen, I know enough about the game through experience of playing it, but guys like Triano, English, Smitch etc. know about 1000x more than I do. Do I like their decisions all the time? No. But I ain't gonna say I'm smarter than any of them and right now, going through this thread, there's a bunch of people who think they're smarter than these coaches. It's absurd.
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Old 11-26-2009, 08:27 PM   #66 (permalink)
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Triano is making some poor decisions but it's more than a little early to give up on him.

Wednesday night against the Bobcats was a steady stream of questionable coaching moves.

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After watching Jarrett Jack start the second quarter 0-3 with two turnovers and Jose Calderon get two more turnovers after replacing Jack. Triano thought the best move was to finish the quarter off with both his point guards on the floor together. No surprise, this didnít help.

With an explanation that smacks of desperation, Triano had a line-up of Amir Johnson, Antoine Wright, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Jarrett Jack, and Sonny Weems to close out the third quarter.

Triano says he was looking for energy? Maybe there is energy in that line-up. But who exactly is going to be putting the ball in the hole?
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But I'm not giving up on Triano yet - Frustrated and mad at Triano, but still hoping our "rookie" coach gets his act together.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:03 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Triano is all talk, in the after game interviews he makes it sound like what the other team's doing is normal.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:06 PM   #68 (permalink)
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I take back what I said, what is the use of hiring a good coach to use inconsistent players. BC is just planning for the future he doesn't really care about our current roster.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:21 PM   #69 (permalink)
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I don't thinks we should fire Triano, but I really don't understand why he took Amir out when he was doing well and then waiting too long to bring him back in. Right after he took Amir out Bobcats started to build a sizeable lead and after a great night offensively no Rasho.
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Old 11-26-2009, 10:29 PM   #70 (permalink)
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Triano is making some poor decisions but it's more than a little early to give up on him.

Wednesday night against the Bobcats was a steady stream of questionable coaching moves.



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But I'm not giving up on Triano yet - Frustrated and mad at Triano, but still hoping our "rookie" coach gets his act together.
I'm just looking at that last line from your blog. It makes perfect sense if you're looking for an energy boost to put that line up together. Most teams, if not all, when they put out their 'energy' line don't put out a bona fide scorer. Moreso, its a bunch of athletic guys who could maybe get that big dunk or block to get everyone going.
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Old 11-27-2009, 08:22 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Just watching RapsTV and Triano was being interviewed and i can't believe what i'm hearing.


He was asked if they viewed video of Wednesday's game or went over it at all-

Answer " No we haven't discussed it, they know"

"There's nothing to talk about when it come to our coverages"

"We need to put it behind us, i said what needed to be said during the game"




Sorry, but Triano imo doesn't seem to be much of a communicator at all and this team is starting to take on the personality of the coach. He appears to be afraid to teach and get into them for being soft. Sorry but breaking a couple clipboards doesn't show me anything, this guy is a marshmellow.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:13 PM   #72 (permalink)
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Triano doesn't have a slight (insert expletetive) clue.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:48 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Just watching RapsTV and Triano was being interviewed and i can't believe what i'm hearing.


He was asked if they viewed video of Wednesday's game or went over it at all-

Answer " No we haven't discussed it, they know"

"There's nothing to talk about when it come to our coverages"

"We need to put it behind us, i said what needed to be said during the game"




Sorry, but Triano imo doesn't seem to be much of a communicator at all and this team is starting to take on the personality of the coach. He appears to be afraid to teach and get into them for being soft. Sorry but breaking a couple clipboards doesn't show me anything, this guy is a marshmellow.
Maybe Jay should throw a chair across the court?
How about body slamming some of the players onto a massage table?

You yell and scream at multi-millionaires and they tune you out.
The coaches are the toughest guys in the room, as usual and it's not their fault.
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Old 11-27-2009, 10:53 PM   #74 (permalink)
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Maybe Jay should throw a chair across the court?
How about body slamming some of the players onto a massage table?

You yell and scream at multi-millionaires and they tune you out.
The coaches are the toughest guys in the room, as usual and it's not their fault.
Sure if it's done every day. But when your team loses by 36pts, tear a strip off them.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:05 PM   #75 (permalink)
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Sure if it's done every day. But when your team loses by 36pts, tear a strip off them.
Triano's right. He doesn't have to yell and scream after a loss like in Charlotte. The players know when they've laid an egg. The players have to have enough fire inside them to come out flying the next game.
This bunch just doesn't care.

It's after a loss like tonight where they were in it at the half and rather than coming together and going into battle like men, they tuck their tails between their legs.
Now is when you lose it on them.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:26 PM   #76 (permalink)
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Triano's right. He doesn't have to yell and scream after a loss like in Charlotte. The players know when they've laid an egg. The players have to have enough fire inside them to come out flying the next game.
This bunch just doesn't care.

It's after a loss like tonight where they were in it at the half and rather than coming together and going into battle like men, they tuck their tails between their legs.
Now is when you lose it on them.

So Triano is right in saying that he doesn't need to say anything and basically every big loss, say that he's OK with the coverages when our D is as bad as it is? The guy needs to wake up. And in turn wake this team up! If he keeps his bland mouth shut it's gonna be a lonbg season. Some teams need to have a fire lit under them.

And considering this team has alot of young players (8 are 25 & under), he needs to get on them at least once in awhile. Fuck me.

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Old 11-27-2009, 11:34 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Just out of curiosity jeff.... how do you know that Triano ISN'T getting in his players' ears?

Just because he doesn't do it publicly or through the media (which is smart) doesn't mean that it's not happening.

The fastest way to lose a player is to embarass him publicly.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:35 PM   #78 (permalink)
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As long as Triano keeps the team at .500, he'll keep his job. There will be the excuse of "so many new guys" that will allow Jay to keep his job.

Personally, I don't think anything would be done until the All-Star break, if at all.

Remember, BC chose to keep Triano. He could have gone with someone else but he didnt, so it's 100% BC's hire. It'll look bad on BC if he cans him.
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HOW WAS TONIGHT TRIANO'S FAULT!

Please elaborate. Honestly, what plays would you have done? What in game adjustments? I'm curious.
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Old 11-27-2009, 11:40 PM   #80 (permalink)
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As long as Triano keeps the team at .500, he'll keep his job.
Well maybe we'll get there at some point???

Triano is now 28-54 in his first 82 games as a head coach. Sorry, not impressed and this whole he didn't have a training camp last season bullshit excuse from last year just no longer cuts the mustard.

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