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Old 01-09-2014, 12:19 AM   #341 (permalink)
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Fire Joe Dumars ???
He'll have some capspace this summer. He'll make things right again. I hear this guy might opt out
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Old 01-09-2014, 12:54 AM   #342 (permalink)
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I know it'd be a hard sell for Smith but I really think that it might benefit DET to start a Drummond/Monroe/Singler front court and bring JS off the bench as a 6th man.
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Old 01-09-2014, 01:39 AM   #343 (permalink)
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would like to know how much you think he's worth. really.

not saying you'd have to take him for your team. just asking what his $ value is to you.
Nothing, he's like bargnani, negative value because of the way he plays. You can't even get him off the bench, because he thinks he's a star. He's not that good to start, and the way he plays destroys any vlue he might otherwise had.
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:21 AM   #344 (permalink)
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Nothing, he's like bargnani, negative value because of the way he plays. You can't even get him off the bench, because he thinks he's a star. He's not that good to start, and the way he plays destroys any vlue he might otherwise had.
so you're not able to put a $$ value next to jennings b/c you don't like the way he plays. understood.

i was trying to get you to think objectively and put a $ figure next to the player, but i guess it didn't work.

btw, i agree with your assessment on jennings. i just OBJECTIVELY think that 7/8 mill a year for him isn't the worst contract. i personally would not sign him either, but his current contract is not what you'd consider a 'bad contract.'
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Old 01-09-2014, 02:46 AM   #345 (permalink)
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GV... lol.... kid certainly doesn't lack confidence in spite of the shaky shooting.

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Old 01-09-2014, 04:16 AM   #346 (permalink)
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Yeah, what's with him? Does he have a drug problem or something, or is it all just effort? What's with these talented ex-Raptors who never meet their full potential like Keon Clark and CV? Remember when Charlie had that 47 point game as a rookie... Guys who score almost 50 as a rookie usually don't become bums before they're 30!
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On another note, it's crazy how stats don't tell you everything. Drummond has a better PER than anyone on the Raptors (21.92), because he's damn efficient, rebounds like a monster and gets blocks and steals. Doubtless he's a good player and he'll get better. But I'd take Valanciunas 10 times out of 10 over him right now; Val has a much more complete game on both ends of the court.
I would take JV over Drummond too. Sadly, it's Terrence Ross that we took over him and not JV.
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:50 AM   #347 (permalink)
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would like to know how much you think he's worth. really.

not saying you'd have to take him for your team. just asking what his $ value is to you.
That's the same question isn't it!? His value to me and how much I want him on my team are the same thing? I would have him as a sixth man for about 5mill, max. Don't like him.

League value- yeah, agree with others, it's not the worst deal ever, but it is pretty bad.
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:59 AM   #348 (permalink)
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I would take JV over Drummond too. Sadly, it's Terrence Ross that we took over him and not JV.
I know you've got the cookie monster in there so I know you're just being playful, but I'm going to comment anyway!

League wide, Drummond is certainly a better trade asset than Ross, if you compare them like that, but not necessarily the better piece if you're building a winning Raptors squad right now. JV and Amir is probably a better balanced frontcourt than JV and Drummond, although Drummond and JV would dominate particular teams easier. But if you're trying to have an entirely balanced lineup, you might be better off having the already pretty solid combo of Amir and JV in the frontcourt with the addition of Ross who is quickly becoming one of the better 3 and D players in the league.

I mean, Ross is shooting at a ridiculous clip right now. 46% from 3-range in 15 starts on 89 attempts. That's high volume while retaining elite, Ray Allen-esque efficiency. 89 FUCKING ATTEMPTS. The sample size argument is kinda lame at this point. The guy just flat out has a stroke (although poor shot selection fucked him up a lot last year). His shooting range really helps the wing pairing with Derozan. Their offensive skill sets complement each other well right now, and it should only get better.

I'm not sure we need to shed as many salty tears over Drummond anymore. And...yes...it means we might not need to curse the ghost of BC as much, either.

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Old 01-09-2014, 09:18 AM   #349 (permalink)
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It was great to see that when Demar was having such a terrible night shooting the ball (3-15) he started putting the ball on the floor, driving the hoop, and drawing fouls. He ended up with 16 free throw attempts.

To me, that was great to see. A lot of those attempts were in the 3rd quarter when we pulled away.

This team is playing efficiently and smart. They are a lot of fun to watch.

Big game this Saturday against a nets team who has won four straight. Gotta keep pushing that lead in the Atlantic!
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:25 AM   #350 (permalink)
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Big game this Saturday against a nets team who has won four straight. Gotta keep pushing that lead in the Atlantic!
Huge.

Especially since we lost to them last time we played off the missed Amir three, and not to mention its Drake night.

Huge.
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Old 01-09-2014, 09:43 AM   #351 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:22 AM   #352 (permalink)
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i am still worried that this team can go back to its old ways. Yesterday at half time i was very doutbful, so it's great that they pulled out the win like they did.

I think there's so much potential in Ross. Last year i really didn't like him, but now i can see the light. Like Bill says he could be a Ray Allen type - i can see it. biggest thing for him is shot selection and IQ stuff which WILL come with experience.

Demar is awesome. and it appears he is now in the refs' good books.

I'm still not sure if this team is meh and just on a hot streak. that NJ game is going to be a big test.

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Old 01-09-2014, 10:23 AM   #353 (permalink)
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I know you've got the cookie monster in there so I know you're just being playful, but I'm going to comment anyway!

League wide, Drummond is certainly a better trade asset than Ross, if you compare them like that, but not necessarily the better piece if you're building a winning Raptors squad right now. JV and Amir is probably a better balanced frontcourt than JV and Drummond, although Drummond and JV would dominate particular teams easier. But if you're trying to have an entirely balanced lineup, you might be better off having the already pretty solid combo of Amir and JV in the frontcourt with the addition of Ross who is quickly becoming one of the better 3 and D players in the league.

I mean, Ross is shooting at a ridiculous clip right now. 46% from 3-range in 15 starts on 89 attempts. That's high volume while retaining elite, Ray Allen-esque efficiency. 89 FUCKING ATTEMPTS. The sample size argument is kinda lame at this point. The guy just flat out has a stroke (although poor shot selection fucked him up a lot last year). His shooting range really helps the wing pairing with Derozan. Their offensive skill sets complement each other well right now, and it should only get better.

I'm not sure we need to shed as many salty tears over Drummond anymore. And...yes...it means we might not need to curse the ghost of BC as much, either.
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:40 AM   #354 (permalink)
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Without checking the boxscore I swear Drummond and Smith were like 2/20 from the line. They must be the worst free throw shooting team in the league. Josh Smith is approaching the level of "bench player on a good team" .

Demar is becoming a star - he had a horrible game, and yet was clearly the best player on the court, although not playing the best at the time. He was the game - Detroit's focus / Toronto's focus. Horrible, and yet still led his team to an easy victory.
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Without checking the boxscore I swear Drummond and Smith were like 2/20 from the line. They must be the worst free throw shooting team in the league. Josh Smith is approaching the level of "bench player on a good team" .

Demar is becoming a star - he had a horrible game, and yet was clearly the best player on the court, although not playing the best at the time. He was the game - Detroit's focus / Toronto's focus. Horrible, and yet still led his team to an easy victory.
they were 5-15
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:10 AM   #356 (permalink)
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I know you've got the cookie monster in there so I know you're just being playful, but I'm going to comment anyway!

League wide, Drummond is certainly a better trade asset than Ross, if you compare them like that, but not necessarily the better piece if you're building a winning Raptors squad right now. JV and Amir is probably a better balanced frontcourt than JV and Drummond, although Drummond and JV would dominate particular teams easier. But if you're trying to have an entirely balanced lineup, you might be better off having the already pretty solid combo of Amir and JV in the frontcourt with the addition of Ross who is quickly becoming one of the better 3 and D players in the league.

I mean, Ross is shooting at a ridiculous clip right now. 46% from 3-range in 15 starts on 89 attempts. That's high volume while retaining elite, Ray Allen-esque efficiency. 89 FUCKING ATTEMPTS. The sample size argument is kinda lame at this point. The guy just flat out has a stroke (although poor shot selection fucked him up a lot last year). His shooting range really helps the wing pairing with Derozan. Their offensive skill sets complement each other well right now, and it should only get better.

I'm not sure we need to shed as many salty tears over Drummond anymore. And...yes...it means we might not need to curse the ghost of BC as much, either.
Your post gives me peace of mind. I have been bitter over not getting drummond even though I do love Ross. I just feel like we still could have gotten Ross many picks later with the right moves AND still picked Drummond. But that's just me fantasizing, I'm really loving the new vibe and I have totally changed my tune. I am falling in love with this teams swagger and it all starts with Kyle Lowry. He really has changed. Something clicked in his head/mind/heart and he is playing the best PG play I think I've ever seen on the Raptors, from top to bottom. His defense is incredible and changes the momentum of games over and over. And from what I am seeing it seems like he has finally learned to control his emotions.
I am starting to fall in love with the raps again. From what Jalen, Bill and others are saying, this draft is FILLED with stars, but not ONE super duper uuber star, so why tank when we can still get a decent pick in the second round at a cheaper price? and with so much depth we still might strike gold with a solid complimentary piece to this evolving team.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:17 AM   #357 (permalink)
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Turns out I was right all along that this core and starting five deserved another chance (not Gay of course he's horrible), and I was spot on. I can't believe how right I was. Yes I have a ginormous boner right now, but yeah, it's because I was right. Feels good! I'm happy with myself.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:32 AM   #358 (permalink)
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that NJ game is going to be a big test.
Although I agree with you, I think ths detoit game was also a huge test. This was a team we needed to beat especially at home, after losing two games to mia and indy and we owned them for the entire second half, and it was on a back o back. This was a would win that further illistrates more then just luck is on this teams side
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I know you've got the cookie monster in there so I know you're just being playful, but I'm going to comment anyway!

League wide, Drummond is certainly a better trade asset than Ross, if you compare them like that, but not necessarily the better piece if you're building a winning Raptors squad right now. JV and Amir is probably a better balanced frontcourt than JV and Drummond, although Drummond and JV would dominate particular teams easier. But if you're trying to have an entirely balanced lineup, you might be better off having the already pretty solid combo of Amir and JV in the frontcourt with the addition of Ross who is quickly becoming one of the better 3 and D players in the league.

I mean, Ross is shooting at a ridiculous clip right now. 46% from 3-range in 15 starts on 89 attempts. That's high volume while retaining elite, Ray Allen-esque efficiency. 89 FUCKING ATTEMPTS. The sample size argument is kinda lame at this point. The guy just flat out has a stroke (although poor shot selection fucked him up a lot last year). His shooting range really helps the wing pairing with Derozan. Their offensive skill sets complement each other well right now, and it should only get better.

I'm not sure we need to shed as many salty tears over Drummond anymore. And...yes...it means we might not need to curse the ghost of BC as much, either.
Very well said Bill
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:50 AM   #360 (permalink)
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seriously? I liked Casey from day one, but was ready to see him go if he didn't decide on a rotation. He has thankfully, and there's no need to go any further. It's on them to remain prepared, and at the game I was at those guys were busy working before the game and at the half. Fields looked like he was putting in extra work by himself during the last pre-game show. He knows the score. Nobody is being an asshole to anybody else.
Fields can be used in case of an injury.
Novak shouldn't have any meaningful minutes. It just breaks the defensive intensity so much to have a guy watching.

the team felt complacent in the first half. I knew we'd win anyway, but I believe you should try to improve even vs weaker opponents.
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