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jeffb 04-24-2014 12:29 PM

FINAL Toronto 98 Brooklyn 102
 

Kirby 04-24-2014 12:39 PM

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#Nets say Shaun Livingston (illness) didn't practice today.

Gurk 04-24-2014 01:07 PM

Let's go raps, I don't see them taking this one but hopefully we come out strong and aren't affected by their crowd

Aamir 04-24-2014 01:13 PM

Please just get one. :mu:

xplode 04-24-2014 01:32 PM

Hope Casey change starting unit as follows

Lowry
DD
Fields (to matchup with JJohnson)
Amir
JV

Off the bench
Vasquez
TRoss
Paterson

We have sufficient offense in the starting line up to offset Fields

and with TRoss in second unit gives us more offense when starters are seating, we can extend TRoss time in the floor if necessary

Just my opinion

Diamond Scorpion 04-24-2014 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DonMughal (Post 889649)
Please just get one. :mu:

This ^^^. We definitely need to at least get 1 to have a chance at winning this series.

Snooch 04-24-2014 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xplode (Post 889652)
Hope Casey change starting unit as follows

Lowry
DD
Fields (to matchup with JJohnson)
Amir
JV

Off the bench
Vasquez
TRoss
Paterson

We have sufficient offense in the starting line up to offset Fields

and with TRoss in second unit gives us more offense when starters are seating, we can extend TRoss time in the floor if necessary

Just my opinion

I think give Ross another chance at starting, he needs to use the opportunity to learn here.

But Feilds as potentially first off the bench, and GV/Pat as next n line.

Ball Don't Lie 04-24-2014 02:08 PM

LETS GO RAPTORS. LETS GET THIS.

xplode 04-24-2014 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snooch (Post 889667)
I think give Ross another chance at starting, he needs to use the opportunity to learn here.

But Feilds as potentially first off the bench, and GV/Pat as next n line.

Just to be clear, nothing against Ross, but I feel like guarding JJohnson is to much for him right now and its taking away his offensive rhythm...

DanH 04-24-2014 02:31 PM

OK... Lineup thoughts for this game! Casey did a good job last game, but I'd like to see him do more of:

- Lowry-on-D-Will at all times. ALL times. Vasquez can't do it.
- Quick subs for the bigs, keeping them fresh.
- Fields or Ross on JJ at all times. Never should DD be checking JJ. Ever. Fields only on when JJ is.
- Anytime you can run DD out there with no JJ cover, do it. Similarly, anytime you can get away with defensive matchups for DD and GV, get them on the floor. Anderson, Livingston, Thornton - these guys can be defended.

So I put together a shift breakdown based on last game's minutes for the Nets. Obviously some of that will change, but it should give us a good idea of ideal sub patterns.

1st Q: Starters as usual, Ross guarding JJ.
4 mins: Garnett subbed out here last game for Plumlee, but he might not until later. Fields for DD, Patman for Amir. Ross switches over to Livingston.
6 mins: Here is where they subbed Teletovic for Pierce and Anderson for Livingston. Anderson's an easy guard, so bring Vasquez in for some early minutes.
10 mins: They brought in Thornton for JJ here. Sub Amir in for JV to give him a breather. Amir-Patman can handle Plumlee/Teletovic. DD back in for Fields as JJ goes to the bench.

2nd Q: Lowry finally gets some rest as Williams sits. Vasquez-Ross-DD-Patman-Amir against their Livingston-Thornton-Anderson-Pierce-Plumlee bench unit. Patman chasing Pierce, Amir on Plumlee.
4:00: JJ checks back in for Anderson, Kirilenko in for Thornton, Blatche for Plumlee. Match up with Fields in for Ross (DD can guard Livingston, or better be able to) and JV for Patman (JV can handle Blatche in the post). Amir chases Pierce.
8:00: Williams back in, so Lowry is too. Teletovic in for Pierce, Garnett in for Plumlee. Patman comes back in for tired Amir to chase Teletovic. Ross in for DD to get a breather and to spread the floor (time for JV to go to work inside, with Teletovic not much of a help presence, and Ross dragging AK to the perimeter).

3rd Q: Nets and Raps run their starters, except Fields in for Ross. DD checks Livingston.
4:00: Vasquez in for DD, Ross in for Fields, Patterson in for Amir. Again, here or sometime later Garnett will check out for Plumlee, but it doesn't really matter when, as JV can handle either of them.
6:00: Here they checked Livingston out for Anderson. Assuming Garnett is sitting by now, good time to check JV out for some rest. Amir in at C.
8:00: Teletovic in for Pierce. Anderson is still on the court, so sub DD in for Vasquez and pray he can defend him better being fresh.

At this point, I've tried to keep everyone really fresh, especially with 3rd Q rest. DD has played only 22 minutes (necessitated by keeping him off JJ), so he's fresh as a daisy. JV likewise has played 24, and only 6 in the 3rd Q. So he should be good to go. Lowry is the exception, as he's matched Williams' playing time: two full quarters plus 4 minutes.

4th Q: Bench unit of Livingston, Anderson, Kirilenko, Teletovic, Plumlee. Raps counter with Vasquez (getting Lowry rest while we can), DD, Ross, Amir, JV. Should be able to do real damage against that unit.
4:00: May want to sub JV out for Patterson here for a couple minutes. No Nets subs last game. If DD is tired, can bring in Fields for DD.
6:00: Here is where the Nets brought their starters back in, mostly. D-Will, JJ, AK, Pierce, KG. Raps match with Lowry, Fields, DD, Patman, JV. DD checks AK.
10:00: Amir can check back in with a couple minutes left if Patman tires.

That breakdown is long, but as short as I could manage. The minutes end up like this:

Lowry 34
DD 32
Ross 28
Amir 30
JV 34
GV 24
Patterson 32
Fields 26

With a couple minutes going from Patman to Amir if Amir checks back in to end the game.

The only 12 minute Q's are Lowry's 1st and 3rd, matching up with D-Will. Everyone else is limited to 8-10 minutes in a Q at most, with a couple 6 min Q's for everyone.

Now, obviously the Nets won't run the exact same rotation, but following the matchups I outlined would give a lot of balance, running most of the 8 man rotation fairly equal minutes, keeping legs fresh and maximizing matchup advantages.

xplode 04-24-2014 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 889679)

That breakdown is long, but as short as I could manage. The minutes end up like this:

Lowry 34
DD 32
Ross 28
Amir 30
JV 34
GV 24
Patterson 32
Fields 26

With a couple minutes going from Patman to Amir if Amir checks back in to end the game.

The only 12 minute Q's are Lowry's 1st and 3rd, matching up with D-Will. Everyone else is limited to 8-10 minutes in a Q at most, with a couple 6 min Q's for everyone.

Now, obviously the Nets won't run the exact same rotation, but following the matchups I outlined would give a lot of balance, running most of the 8 man rotation fairly equal minutes, keeping legs fresh and maximizing matchup advantages.

Wow :appl:


hopefully Casey's reading this

btw, you really thought of this, you must have lot of spare time

DanH 04-24-2014 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xplode (Post 889689)
Wow :appl:


hopefully Casey's reading this

btw, you really thought of this, you must have lot of spare time

Not sleeping helps.

niggles 04-24-2014 03:48 PM

JV in the paint. Rebounding, scoring, making life miserable for Garnett and Plumlee. #1 priority.

Snooch 04-24-2014 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niggles (Post 889698)
JV in the paint. Rebounding, scoring, making life miserable for Garnett and Plumlee. #1 priority.

This times 100000000000


They cannot answer this.

PG/bigman combination has been on.

It has by far been the most efficient part of our offense as they just do not have an answer.

We need to defend on the wing, and exploit them down low.

DanH 04-24-2014 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by niggles (Post 889698)
JV in the paint. Rebounding, scoring, making life miserable for Garnett and Plumlee. #1 priority.

He's been the one constant so far. Very impressed with his play. If he has a down game we're in trouble, but he's shown no signs of slowing down so far.

Wictory 04-24-2014 03:52 PM

While this may not be a must win, I think the team needs to make a major statement either this game or the next. They have proven to get their shit together on the road. Limit the turnovers, play decent defence, and stick to what has worked on offence last game and its not a stretch to say that we can take this game.

Win or loss I think that this game will define the series moving forward making either team even more desperate with a loss

Snooch 04-24-2014 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DanH (Post 889701)
He's been the one constant so far. Very impressed with his play. If he has a down game we're in trouble, but he's shown no signs of slowing down so far.

He has been serioes MVP so far, and it isnt even close.

Love it.
:jack:

omar36 04-24-2014 03:59 PM

Only negative about Jonas is 11 turnovers thru 2. A lot has to do with BS no calls when he gets fouled when nets reach but he can improve by holding the ball higher.
Also if Ross continues to be horrible, I don't see raptors winning this

RaptorsVictim 04-24-2014 05:21 PM

Someone is saying that this game is not a must win game, I am so sorry to say that such a saying is totally wrong. Thsi game is a must win game, and I can assure you that if we did not win this game, we will have our back to the walls.
I just hope that Ross and Lowery start waking up and play well.

Young Gunz 04-24-2014 05:47 PM

Take both in brooklynn and we win, these are must wins


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