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Old 11-14-2012, 07:49 AM   #581 (permalink)
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All i caught was the 4th so i saw the worst or was it the best.

Loved how they layed it all on the line, but i'm afraid last night night was (and will be) pretty much the only night where we win after playing like that. crazy.
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:34 AM   #582 (permalink)
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Look what rockets did to their rookies who were really promising, looked great in summer league and preseason - sent them to D-League without even giving minutes on NBA court to see how would they do

Told you they gonna win

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Old 11-14-2012, 11:16 AM   #583 (permalink)
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Every win is a step closer to the 4th pick. Its a disaster
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Old 11-14-2012, 11:26 AM   #584 (permalink)
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Wow.

Typically i would be banned for such an insult!

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Old 11-14-2012, 12:42 PM   #585 (permalink)
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Old 11-14-2012, 01:27 PM   #586 (permalink)
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i don't entirely disagree with where you're going, but the fact is we're not going to finish that low. We just aren't and hopefully these schmuks can tread water while Lowry is out. The tank is out of the window because like it or not we gave away this draft pick. Let's enjoy the ugly wins and hope for the best. and then hope Lowry re-signs which he probably won't. Two uphill climbs, but as we saw yesterday some unlikely stuff can actually happen.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:04 PM   #587 (permalink)
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Are people jumping off the Paul George bandwagon yet? I said this guy wasn't going to be a superstar.

He's a great role-player with a solid all-round game.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:19 PM   #588 (permalink)
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i don't entirely disagree with where you're going, but the fact is we're not going to finish that low. We just aren't and hopefully these schmuks can tread water while Lowry is out. The tank is out of the window because like it or not we gave away this draft pick. Let's enjoy the ugly wins and hope for the best. and then hope Lowry re-signs which he probably won't. Two uphill climbs, but as we saw yesterday some unlikely stuff can actually happen.
Why do people keep talking about Lowry, Toronto was what, 1-3 or 1-4 with him, they are they same without him.

He isn't going to be a savior, and if that team is waiting on him to be, they are done. Toronto is weak in three position right now. 5,4,3. We have future hope at five so its sorted. Derozan, can kinda hold it in place at 2...but its still a bit dicey. We have no three, and our 4's are all clearly not starters, and that includes Bargnani, who, has failed miserably. There's where it is right now.
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:25 PM   #589 (permalink)
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Why do people keep talking about Lowry, Toronto was what, 1-3 or 1-4 with him, they are they same without him.

He isn't going to be a savior, and if that team is waiting on him to be, they are done. Toronto is weak in three position right now. 5,4,3. We have future hope at five so its sorted. Derozan, can kinda hold it in place at 2...but its still a bit dicey. We have no three, and our 4's are all clearly not starters, and that includes Bargnani, who, has failed miserably. There's where it is right now.
Because when your overall team is weak like you pointed out at various positions, then having a guy who was playing huge before he got hurt was pivotal. I don't care about the records Lowry was a beast when he played.

Just looking at last night, he plays and we don't have a 4th quarter like we did. No question.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:08 PM   #590 (permalink)
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Why do people keep talking about Lowry, Toronto was what, 1-3 or 1-4 with him, they are they same without him.

He isn't going to be a savior, and if that team is waiting on him to be, they are done. Toronto is weak in three position right now. 5,4,3. We have future hope at five so its sorted. Derozan, can kinda hold it in place at 2...but its still a bit dicey. We have no three, and our 4's are all clearly not starters, and that includes Bargnani, who, has failed miserably. There's where it is right now.


did you watch the first three games? The guy averaged 24ppg/7apg/8rpg along with just over 3 steals. All three games we won(MIN) or came very close against teams that were better than us.

Saying we are the "same" without him is so far off. You think Calderon can just step in and get those kind of numbers? Is the second unit as good with Lucas instead of Calderon? No and no.

No one expects Lowry to be a savior to this team, but he is a HUGE piece in making that next push from a lottery team to a playoff team.
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Old 11-14-2012, 03:27 PM   #591 (permalink)
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he makes a difference, but he didnt make them win, and they looked sad down the stretch with him and without him in almost every single game.

my point, you cant win with 3 bad positions, dont expect Lowry to save them, its unfair.
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he makes a difference, but he didnt make them win, and they looked sad down the stretch with him and without him in almost every single game.

my point, you cant win with 3 bad positions, dont expect Lowry to save them, its unfair.
saying we have 3 bad positions is so ridiculously simplistic man.

for a start i don't agree but also that doesn't take into account match-ups, rotations, bench etc.

Lowry and DD have been great so far, Val has been great in limited mins and Bargs is either good or terrible. So i would say, with your simplistic approach we have 1 and a half bad positions!

our bench has been so disappointing so far coz i expected it to be awesome but it has showed real signs of improvement in the last 2-3 games. That immediately gives us a big boost and can compliment the starters.

then of course there is coaching. The roatations have not been good, as everyone seems to agree. If we get that right it can cover up some of our starting 5 deficiencies. Amir has been great coming on for Val, Ed has shown he should get more mins and kleiza and ross have shown that can gives us a scoring boost as well.

yes our starting 5 is not good enough yet, we all want an SF, but your point wasn't valid imo.
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Old 11-14-2012, 05:16 PM   #593 (permalink)
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:36 PM   #594 (permalink)
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saying we have 3 bad positions is so ridiculously simplistic man.

for a start i don't agree but also that doesn't take into account match-ups, rotations, bench etc.

Lowry and DD have been great so far, Val has been great in limited mins and Bargs is either good or terrible. So i would say, with your simplistic approach we have 1 and a half bad positions!

our bench has been so disappointing so far coz i expected it to be awesome but it has showed real signs of improvement in the last 2-3 games. That immediately gives us a big boost and can compliment the starters.

then of course there is coaching. The roatations have not been good, as everyone seems to agree. If we get that right it can cover up some of our starting 5 deficiencies. Amir has been great coming on for Val, Ed has shown he should get more mins and kleiza and ross have shown that can gives us a scoring boost as well.

yes our starting 5 is not good enough yet, we all want an SF, but your point wasn't valid imo.
Excuse me, but when I need you to tell me whether or not my point is valid, I'll ask.

Derozan has been great??? Hmm. Ok. When?

Val has been great? When?

Lowry HAS been great, he is a good player.

We don't have a SF.

DD is getting better but is still not effective and not a winner. He gets his numbers, but a lot has come in games where it wasn't a win situation by the fourth, OR they folded and choked in the fourth. If this is "greatness" I will let the actual star SG's of the NBA know that it's time for them to become legit Deities.

Val is a future player, shows a glimpse... I love it, but he is still a mess, an improving mess, at a great rate, but still...

Sorry man, one brutal win and this place is back to thinking this is a good team. DD is off the hook, Val is Howard, and Lowry is Chris Paul. Short term memory I guess, because to be honest, I remember a week ago, reading the game thread, and NOBODY was calling DD or JV great.
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DD is getting better but is still not effective and not a winner. He gets his numbers, but a lot has come in games where it wasn't a win situation by the fourth, OR they folded and choked in the fourth. If this is "greatness" I will let the actual star SG's of the NBA know that it's time for them to become legit Deities.
I listened to you defend Bargs for YEARS.... a guy who just doesn't give a shit and is very essence of someone who "isn't a winner" and now you want to slam DD, a kid who's made HUGE strides this season to improve every facet of his game?

Take your temperature man.... because I think you might have a fever.
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Excuse me, but when I need you to tell me whether or not my point is valid, I'll ask.

Derozan has been great??? Hmm. Ok. When?

Val has been great? When?

Lowry HAS been great, he is a good player.

We don't have a SF.

DD is getting better but is still not effective and not a winner. He gets his numbers, but a lot has come in games where it wasn't a win situation by the fourth, OR they folded and choked in the fourth. If this is "greatness" I will let the actual star SG's of the NBA know that it's time for them to become legit Deities.

Val is a future player, shows a glimpse... I love it, but he is still a mess, an improving mess, at a great rate, but still...

Sorry man, one brutal win and this place is back to thinking this is a good team. DD is off the hook, Val is Howard, and Lowry is Chris Paul. Short term memory I guess, because to be honest, I remember a week ago, reading the game thread, and NOBODY was calling DD or JV great.
you may not need me to tell you whether your point is valid but you can expect to hear it!

i thought this was a good team when we were playing crap! not great but good. Not necessarily making the play-offs, but finishing with a decent record not a continuation of a 1-6 record.

none of lowry, DD, bargs, val are top players but none should be considered scrubs who stop this team from winning.

and as i said before (which you didn't respond to,) bench, coaching and other factors come into how well this team does.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:56 PM   #598 (permalink)
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Ya, so bench and coaching...sure, totally part of it. they jut arent good enough.

Thing is, they are just good enough to not be getting a draft pick next year, and that sucks cock.

Toronto needed Fields to be good, and they needed Bargnani to pretend to be a professional athlete in order to be relevant. Sadly, neither of these have come to fruition.
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Ya, so bench and coaching...sure, totally part of it. they jut arent good enough.

Thing is, they are just good enough to not be getting a draft pick next year, and that sucks cock.

Toronto needed Fields to be good, and they needed Bargnani to pretend to be a professional athlete in order to be relevant. Sadly, neither of these have come to fruition.
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