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Acie 11-30-2013 01:11 PM

FINAL: Denver Nuggets 112 - Toronto Raptors 98
 

jeffb 11-30-2013 01:16 PM

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Ball Don't Lie 11-30-2013 04:28 PM

Rumor has it Casey is planning to change his starting lineup, which essentially means either Amir or JV is out.

Gotta love Casey. If you can't utilize them correctly because you're a moron, bench them! What a coach!

Carlos Danger 11-30-2013 05:02 PM

Casey's last game as head coach

Ataf 11-30-2013 05:32 PM

You wish :cookie: ... I wish :(

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-30-2013 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ball Don't Lie (Post 836007)
Rumor has it Casey is planning to change his starting lineup, which essentially means either Amir or JV is out.

Gotta love Casey. If you can't utilize them correctly because you're a moron, bench them! What a coach!

TH in for JV or maybe Amir. But who knows - maybe Novak has a chance with his spacing or TR will start so RG will move to PF - it's about smallball :mattyd:

Kriz 11-30-2013 06:22 PM

Devner won 5 games in a row. They may be hottttt.

LX 11-30-2013 07:41 PM

I'm still waiting on Vegas to set a line for the over/under.

tyguy94 11-30-2013 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlos Danger (Post 836008)
Casey's last game as head coach

I hope so. Maybe the worst coach we've had?

jeffb 11-30-2013 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by tyguy94 (Post 836028)
I hope so. Maybe the worst coach we've had?

Between Casey, Triano and O'Neil it's a toss up for me.

Don Vito 11-30-2013 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 836029)
Between Casey, Triano and O'Neil it's a toss up for me.

At least Triano would develop guys. Casey completely stops the growth of any young player.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-30-2013 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 836031)
At least Triano would develop guys. Casey completely stops the growth of any young player.

Well said. Davis, TR, JV, Acy.

LX 11-30-2013 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 836034)
Well said. Davis, TR, JV, Acy.

Are you saying those guys didn't develop?

And how about the improvements with the devloping Amir and Demar?

If there is one thing i would be hard pressed to criticize Casey for, it would be player development. If there was one thing I would question about Triano it would be player development.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-30-2013 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 836035)
Are you saying those guys didn't develop?

And how about the improvements with the devloping Amir and Demar?

If there is one thing i would be hard pressed to criticize Casey for, it would be player development. If there was one thing I would question about Triano it would be player development.

You might be the only person on both of the boards I'm on who thinks DC does well developing players.

LX 11-30-2013 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 836036)
You might be the only person on both of the boards I'm on who thinks DC does well developing players.

Hoorah! So you are saying none of those guys have developed?

'trane 11-30-2013 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Carlos Danger (Post 836008)
Casey's last game as head coach

Sam Mitchell sends warning of losses to the nuggets...

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-30-2013 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 836038)
Hoorah! So you are saying none of those guys have developed?

Never said that but DC hasn't been a huge proponent of development. I don't know what games you have been watching. DC mismanaged TR. Did the same for ED which you also recognized last season when ED would put in career performances and be relegated to the bench in favour of others. JV might go through the same thing for a player who has already peaked in TH. You mention Amir. Amir has always produced when he has played throughout his career. Amir was one of the few non-horrid things about this team since Bosh left.

LX 11-30-2013 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! (Post 836055)
Never said that but DC hasn't been a huge proponent of development. I don't know what games you have been watching. DC mismanaged TR. Did the same for ED which you also recognized last season when ED would put in career performances and be relegated to the bench in favour of others. JV might go through the same thing for a player who has already peaked in TH. You mention Amir. Amir has always produced when he has played throughout his career. Amir was one of the few non-horrid things about this team since Bosh left.

Amir has always produced? He had troubles staying on the court and couldn't defend without fouling, then became a very nice impact player.

Ross and Davis were not mismanaged. You make it sound like anything but being handed unlimited minutes is mismanagement. Ross is looking like a very nice player with good discipline. Compare that to what he was eight months ago, and don't tell me his sucking was Casey's fault, unless you want to suggest that Casey asked him to take terrible shots and not defend and then pulled him after Ross followed those instructions.

Ed was playing so well he netted us Rudy Gay. I would have liked to have seen him get minutes over Bargnani, but that wasn't going to happen right away. Eventually Ed was finishing a lot of games and maximizing his impact.

Jonas might come off the bench. Are you seriously going to tell me that means he will be mismanaged? He very well could have a much better chance to get his game going with a mix that is not so perimeter heavy. Ultimately he needs to find his way through a bit of a struggle here. Hibbert struggled through most of last season. Had he been a second year player i can see where Tyler might of taken his starting spot.

What does development mean to you exactly? Does it somehow mean that players should not be expected to compete for minutes or starting duties? That is kinda what it meant to Triano.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 12-01-2013 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 836062)
Amir has always produced? He had troubles staying on the court and couldn't defend without fouling, then became a very nice impact player.

Ross and Davis were not mismanaged. You make it sound like anything but being handed unlimited minutes is mismanagement. Ross is looking like a very nice player with good discipline. Compare that to what he was eight months ago, and don't tell me his sucking was Casey's fault, unless you want to suggest that Casey asked him to take terrible shots and not defend and then pulled him after Ross followed those instructions.

Ed was playing so well he netted us Rudy Gay. I would have liked to have seen him get minutes over Bargnani, but that wasn't going to happen right away. Eventually Ed was finishing a lot of games and maximizing his impact.

Jonas might come off the bench. Are you seriously going to tell me that means he will be mismanaged? He very well could have a much better chance to get his game going with a mix that is not so perimeter heavy. Ultimately he needs to find his way through a bit of a struggle here. Hibbert struggled through most of last season. Had he been a second year player i can see where Tyler might of taken his starting spot.

What does development mean to you exactly? Does it somehow mean that players should not be expected to compete for minutes or starting duties? That is kinda what it meant to Triano.

Yes, your second part is true. However, whenever he has played in his career - no matter how many minutes, he's been productive.

TR - yes he did play s**t last year. But he was a rookie and his coach to gave him random roles and minutes. TR has done a lot to improve yes, no one is denying that.

Come on. Ed was only given that chance because of an injury.

Here I'm going to let BDL's post from another thread answer that:

"As it should. Putting our potential franchise guy on the bench because the coach has no idea how to utilize him on the floor in favor of a veteran who has already reached his peak is probably the worst thing that could happen this year, outside of making the playoffs and getting killed Bucks style and getting a mid round pick.

Then again, if it does happen, and we continue losing, which we will in this next hard stretch of games, Casey should be fired, which will lead to Jonas flourishing.

Either way, Casey sucks, and he needs to go. Now. He's probably the worst coach in Raptors history. Kevin Oneill move over."

I could say the exact opposite to you. Limited minutes and hoping what happens in practice is enough to show stuff to the coach despite the coach trusting veterans at all costs despite their horrid skill level and that they haven't won much in their respective careers.

Carlito 12-01-2013 08:35 AM

TH is better at PF than Centre ... Amir is sitting ... That's my prediction.

There could be other changes later, but I can't see Casey starting the came without a true centre.


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