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Old 12-01-2013, 09:08 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes, your second part is true. However, whenever he has played in his career - no matter how many minutes, he's been productive.

TR - yes he did play s**t last year. But he was a rookie and his coach to gave him random roles and minutes. TR has done a lot to improve yes, no one is denying that.

Come on. Ed was only given that chance because of an injury.

Here I'm going to let BDL's post from another thread answer that:

"As it should. Putting our potential franchise guy on the bench because the coach has no idea how to utilize him on the floor in favor of a veteran who has already reached his peak is probably the worst thing that could happen this year, outside of making the playoffs and getting killed Bucks style and getting a mid round pick.

Then again, if it does happen, and we continue losing, which we will in this next hard stretch of games, Casey should be fired, which will lead to Jonas flourishing.

Either way, Casey sucks, and he needs to go. Now. He's probably the worst coach in Raptors history. Kevin Oneill move over."

I could say the exact opposite to you. Limited minutes and hoping what happens in practice is enough to show stuff to the coach despite the coach trusting veterans at all costs despite their horrid skill level and that they haven't won much in their respective careers.
Ed got chances beyond injuries. Let's not make shit up. The guy is a nice bench player in any case. And he improved nicely from year to year here.

Amir simply did not defend well. But if you don't give a shit about defense then i guess that doesn't matter. He also greatly improved his shooting and passing. Right? That's pretty easy to see.

So you're going to tell me that Jonas has not been given enough minutes due to a veteran being favored at all costs? Are you really going to tell me Jonas has recently made good use of his minutes and been sat down regardless?

Good to see you agree about Ross. Notice that he is not being sat in favor of bad veterans at all costs. Funny how that is huh?

There is a lot to be dissatisfied with Casey's coaching. But there is also a lot to be disappointed in with the play of some players. Ultimately he should be held accountable for not getting the most out of the team collectively, if it comes to that, and i'm not sure they are at that point quite yet. But players have developed.
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Old 12-01-2013, 09:45 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Old 12-01-2013, 10:20 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Ed got chances beyond injuries. Let's not make shit up. The guy is a nice bench player in any case. And he improved nicely from year to year here.

Amir simply did not defend well. But if you don't give a shit about defense then i guess that doesn't matter. He also greatly improved his shooting and passing. Right? That's pretty easy to see.

So you're going to tell me that Jonas has not been given enough minutes due to a veteran being favored at all costs? Are you really going to tell me Jonas has recently made good use of his minutes and been sat down regardless?

Good to see you agree about Ross. Notice that he is not being sat in favor of bad veterans at all costs. Funny how that is huh?

There is a lot to be dissatisfied with Casey's coaching. But there is also a lot to be disappointed in with the play of some players. Ultimately he should be held accountable for not getting the most out of the team collectively, if it comes to that, and i'm not sure they are at that point quite yet. But players have developed.
This is spot on. It seems like Casey, and a select few plays heed much of the blame. But, others are untouchable in that discussion for some reason. This is basically the exact team as last year, with imo, a a slightly upgraded bench. Yet, they are not meshing the same way, which is why we're all so disappointed. Especially since you would assume a training camp would do more for building chemistry and cohesion. Casey however, is still the same guy that finished that coached our team to .500 after the Rudy trade. I can't say I support his sporadic lineups and clear blunders at the end of games. But he's not the only problem, nor is Rudy.

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Old 12-01-2013, 11:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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One of the worst things that Casey does every game is sitting all his starters. He needs more balance & we all know this.

& not to mention him sitting JV way too much! A big like JV needs to get time to get more touches & play through more mistakes, he does more positive than negative even when he isn't scoring.
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Old 12-01-2013, 11:54 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Ed got chances beyond injuries. Let's not make shit up. The guy is a nice bench player in any case. And he improved nicely from year to year here.

Amir simply did not defend well. But if you don't give a shit about defense then i guess that doesn't matter. He also greatly improved his shooting and passing. Right? That's pretty easy to see.

So you're going to tell me that Jonas has not been given enough minutes due to a veteran being favored at all costs? Are you really going to tell me Jonas has recently made good use of his minutes and been sat down regardless?

Good to see you agree about Ross. Notice that he is not being sat in favor of bad veterans at all costs. Funny how that is huh?

There is a lot to be dissatisfied with Casey's coaching. But there is also a lot to be disappointed in with the play of some players. Ultimately he should be held accountable for not getting the most out of the team collectively, if it comes to that, and i'm not sure they are at that point quite yet. But players have developed.
Casey is in love with a small ball and probably has no clue how to use JV, it's either that or he doesn't think it's important enough.
And Ross should be getting some of Rudy's minutes
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I hate to say it but JV would be much more effective if Calderon was our point guard
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Casey is in love with a small ball and probably has no clue how to use JV, it's either that or he doesn't think it's important enough.
And Ross should be getting some of Rudy's minutes
He may not be getting the most out of JV, but JV hasn't been playing so well that he's demanding minutes. Even when he gets the ball he's too far away from the basket and ends up going away from the defence with a hook shot, or whatever. JV's stagnant 2nd season is partly Casey, partly a lack of clear improvement. JV really needs to either work on his mid range shot or believe in it more, because that fake isn't gonna work for very long if he doesn't actually ever shoot and make it.
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I hate to say it but JV would be much more effective if Calderon was our point guard
I agree with this. It seems at this stage in his career, JV needs a play who can create for him, run the pick and roll effectively for him to produce more.
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I agree with this. It seems at this stage in his career, JV needs a play who can create for him, run the pick and roll effectively for him to produce more.
JV had his best stretch of games last year in the final 30 games......with Calderon playing in Detroit.


And in the the final 10 games last season averaged 15.2ppg/6.5rpg/2.4bpg. If you watch him play right now, he has no confidence and he isn't aggressive enough on offense and isn't showing himself properly. He's often times out of position and then when he doesn't get the ball he sulks. And on offense, when he's 10-15ft from the rim he is awful and predictable.

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He may not be getting the most out of JV, but JV hasn't been playing so well that he's demanding minutes. Even when he gets the ball he's too far away from the basket and ends up going away from the defence with a hook shot, or whatever. JV's stagnant 2nd season is partly Casey, partly a lack of clear improvement. JV really needs to either work on his mid range shot or believe in it more, because that fake isn't gonna work for very long if he doesn't actually ever shoot and make it.
By saying Casey is not getting most out of JV I mean that Casey has close to 0 pick and roll plays. Lets be fair JV is not a very good in the post yet, but he is very good in PnR. If we would have some plays were JV rolls to the basket it would really help his confidence and could be big offensive weapon. You get shooters in the corners and Lowry playing pick and roll with JV and Amir, if defense collapses you kick it out to open shooter.
Not saying we need to play pick and roll all the time but we should mix it up keep it creative and defense guessing.
You need to create opportunities for your young players to be involved and iso ball is not how I imagine it.
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JV had his best stretch of games last year in the final 30 games......with Calderon playing in Detroit.


And in the the final 10 games last season averaged 15.2ppg/6.5rpg/2.4bpg. If you watch him play right now, he has no confidence and he isn't aggressive enough on offense and isn't showing himself properly. He's often times out of position and then when he doesn't get the ball he sulks. And on offense, when he's 10-15ft from the rim he is awful and predictable.
That is absolutely true, but someone needs to be creating for him to some degree, whether it's Lowry or not. Though, he needs to be more aggressive, and confident in his own abilities. Mix up his game a bit. But for whatever reason, the offence isn't flowing as it had been in the final games of the season and it's hurting JV both in terms of producing, and also his confidence. A lot of it has to do with the fact that no one on the team, aside from good periods from DeRozan and Lowry, are playing well. JV isn't really getting any "easy" looks, so everything seems like a hustle for him. He needs to be more decisive though, and when the opportunities present themselves. Keep it simple I guess, as his game is quite limited as we've all pointed out.

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By saying Casey is not getting most out of JV I mean that Casey has close to 0 pick and roll plays. Lets be fair JV is not a very good in the post yet, but he is very good in PnR. If we would have some plays were JV rolls to the basket it would really help his confidence and could be big offensive weapon. You get shooters in the corners and Lowry playing pick and roll with JV and Amir, if defense collapses you kick it out to open shooter.
Not saying we need to play pick and roll all the time but we should mix it up keep it creative and defense guessing.
You need to create opportunities for your young players to be involved and iso ball is not how I imagine it.
Definitely agree. He needs a few easy buckets here and there to get him back into a groove and gain some confidence back.
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Old 12-01-2013, 01:02 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Good! I said this should be our starting lineup before the season started. Let's hope it helps get us off to a better start.
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Ed got chances beyond injuries. Let's not make shit up. The guy is a nice bench player in any case. And he improved nicely from year to year here.

Amir simply did not defend well. But if you don't give a shit about defense then i guess that doesn't matter. He also greatly improved his shooting and passing. Right? That's pretty easy to see.

So you're going to tell me that Jonas has not been given enough minutes due to a veteran being favored at all costs? Are you really going to tell me Jonas has recently made good use of his minutes and been sat down regardless?

Good to see you agree about Ross. Notice that he is not being sat in favor of bad veterans at all costs. Funny how that is huh?

There is a lot to be dissatisfied with Casey's coaching. But there is also a lot to be disappointed in with the play of some players. Ultimately he should be held accountable for not getting the most out of the team collectively, if it comes to that, and i'm not sure they are at that point quite yet. But players have developed.
That year if it wasn't for Bargs going down DC would continue to do what he did - that's what I was referring to.

Are you alright? Amir has always played ok to well defensively no matter how many minutes he's played. Could he have done better in 2010 and 2011 - probably, but the pace of the team was all offense and no d and that didn't help his drating. So we're crediting his improvement in shooting to DC? It's ok - I like it that he takes 3s now. He's stretching the floor.

I'm saying if that happens but apparently Amir is being benched - which - if it is the case, JV still isn't going to get enough touches so.

While true - if LF could actually shoot maybe that would be different. DC favoured AA cuz of d + the 3. LF only fits one of those things.

Players have developed to a degree but I wouldn't say that's because of DC.
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