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Old 02-20-2014, 12:18 AM   #381 (permalink)
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It really bothered me how DeRozan didn't even come close on that last second half-court shot...he had no hands in his face yet that ball had zero chance of going in. I'm wondering if anyone was bothered by this?

He is our so-called "young all-star " yet with a chance to go ahead, he comes nowhere close to the rim. At least come close! Don't have to hit it, but give it a chance at least.

He jumped off the wrong foot...had no touch on the ball. Just wasn't even close....smh
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That last shot TH took was really ill advised, thankfully amir got the second chance
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:19 AM   #382 (permalink)
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:22 AM   #383 (permalink)
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Old 02-20-2014, 12:36 AM   #384 (permalink)
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All good stuff here; learning experience; can't spot a team like Chicago 15 points; Chicago was playing playoff basketball; not going to lose sleep over it. I love Lowry's attitude.
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Old 02-20-2014, 01:14 AM   #385 (permalink)
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He hardly needs me to defend him. He had his team fighting to win a very tough game, when it would have been easy to have been blown out. Do you honestly disagree? Jeff the laughing man who waved the white flag repeatedly - how about you? You wanna disagree or just laugh like a fool?
so now im in jeff tier? i disagreed with what you said, and nice, derozan got us back in the game, but we still went home with a loss, great effort, but if you cant hit a shot and give the last possession shot to the person whos a scrub in the clutch by evidence of earlier games in the season then i will say something.
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Old 02-20-2014, 07:52 AM   #386 (permalink)
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I agree - he needs to micromanage Demar in these situations a bit more. Demar is the right guy to give the ball to
NO he is not! He is a 4th Quarter BOZO. Why was KL not dribbling that ball? As soon as I saw Derozan do that stupid little dribble thing of his I knew he was going to do a half drive and chuck up another stupid last second foolish shot. I've seen this over and over and over with Derozan and it looks EXACTLY the same every time. WHY did he have the ball?!?! The last 2 minutes of every game Derozan needs to be a cheerleader on the bench until he learns how to not be an idiot.

Every fricken time the last 3 years he gets the ball with the game on the line he chucks up some stupid contested double teamed garbage!!! AAAAAAAH
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Old 02-20-2014, 07:55 AM   #387 (permalink)
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I like the fact the team plays hard for Casey .... I just think Casey needs someone to help him with play calls late in the game ... We don't have LeBron or Kobe .... I don't blame DD for his shortcomings ... Coaches job is to put people in position to succeed using their skill set.

I wish Ross could of stepped up more ... we need him to become aggressive and not revert to the pussy / kid he was last year and long periods of time this year. This kid has skills, but he needs to believe in himself. If he puts in the effort in the offseason on his handles and mid-range shot ... watch out ... the tough part will be with what's between his ears ... does he of the stuff to go hard to the hole consistently ... this will take his game to the next level
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:05 AM   #388 (permalink)
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NO he is not! He is a 4th Quarter BOZO. Why was KL not dribbling that ball? As soon as I saw Derozan do that stupid little dribble thing of his I knew he was going to do a half drive and chuck up another stupid last second foolish shot. I've seen this over and over and over with Derozan and it looks EXACTLY the same every time. WHY did he have the ball?!?! The last 2 minutes of every game Derozan needs to be a cheerleader on the bench until he learns how to not be an idiot.

Every fricken time the last 3 years he gets the ball with the game on the line he chucks up some stupid contested double teamed garbage!!! AAAAAAAH
Haahh! I wouldn't go that far. But Lowry needs to start with the ball on those plays, DD can't create his own shot against high pressure defense late in games. Get Lowry the ball with a three point threat in each corner and Demar on the elbow, have Lowry penetrate and see what he can get. One of four things can happen; kicks it to one of the 3pt shooters, sucks in the D and gets it to DD 15-18ft out or if there is a path to the rim he can go in himself, possibly getting fouled in the process or he could get blocked/stripped and we lose anyway.

But against the chicago defense, running two iso plays for a player like DD in the final minute is suicide. At least one of those plays has to start with the ball in KL's hands.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:48 AM   #389 (permalink)
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That definitely was a painful loss last night. All our bigs played horrible.
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Ugly game. Nice effort mounting the comeback, but again and again it seems the lesson needs to be learned that the comeback will fail sometimes. At this point I'm not even worried about detail stuff like who shot at the end, who might have been fouled, etc. This team needs a better big picture approach or they'll end up behind like this in the playoffs, and in the playoffs, those comebacks fail more than they succeed.

As evidenced by all the "Bulls were playing playoff basketball" talk. Yeah, playoff basketball, where the Raps tend to fall short. The reality is, since the Gay trade, the Raptors are 17-5 against under .500 teams, and 6-8 against over .500 teams.

And shock of all shocks, they won three in a row (yay!) against under .500 teams (alright...) and first .500 team they face, they lose. And CHI is barely a .500 team (just like the Raps). Taking care of bad teams is a good sign. Struggling against the teams that will make the playoffs is a bad one. Especially when you consider that the hardest part of our "vs .500 teams" record is being written off as it occurred before the Gay trade.

Meh. Could just be a down game. Still, this whole season is starting to feel like a mirage. We beat bad teams well enough, but we've only held our own against good teams, and that comes entirely from that miracle stretch right after the trade (we've lost 4 in a row and 6 of 7 against over .500 teams). The overall record seems to be more indicative of how many bad teams there are than of how good we are.

Probably just depressed after a loss. The team is still taking care of bad teams (7-1 against under .500 teams lately). That's a good thing, considering the upcoming schedule. Doesn't help with my belief that we are not getting a true evaluation of this team right now.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:44 AM   #391 (permalink)
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Haahh! I wouldn't go that far. But Lowry needs to start with the ball on those plays, DD can't create his own shot against high pressure defense late in games. Get Lowry the ball with a three point threat in each corner and Demar on the elbow, have Lowry penetrate and see what he can get. One of four things can happen; kicks it to one of the 3pt shooters, sucks in the D and gets it to DD 15-18ft out or if there is a path to the rim he can go in himself, possibly getting fouled in the process or he could get blocked/stripped and we lose anyway.

But against the chicago defense, running two iso plays for a player like DD in the final minute is suicide. At least one of those plays has to start with the ball in KL's hands.
I agree. The only thing I would add is that I would have PP set a high screen for Lowry. PP could then either roll to the rim or kick out for an open J. Then have a couple of shooters in the corners. This forces the defence to extend, leaving the lane open or easy passing lanes.

I would put Ross behind the 3-point line near the elbow, but ask him to slash to the hoop once Lowry begins his drive. Could even have Amir in this position instead of Ross. This gives Lowry another option, giving him six in total - drive to the hoop; pull up for a jumper; kick the ball out to one of the shooters (Novak and DD) in the corner (that's two options right there); dump the ball off to the slashing player; or kick out to PP.
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Old 02-20-2014, 11:48 AM   #392 (permalink)
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Ugly game. Nice effort mounting the comeback, but again and again it seems the lesson needs to be learned that the comeback will fail sometimes. At this point I'm not even worried about detail stuff like who shot at the end, who might have been fouled, etc. This team needs a better big picture approach or they'll end up behind like this in the playoffs, and in the playoffs, those comebacks fail more than they succeed.

As evidenced by all the "Bulls were playing playoff basketball" talk. Yeah, playoff basketball, where the Raps tend to fall short. The reality is, since the Gay trade, the Raptors are 17-5 against under .500 teams, and 6-8 against over .500 teams.

And shock of all shocks, they won three in a row (yay!) against under .500 teams (alright...) and first .500 team they face, they lose. And CHI is barely a .500 team (just like the Raps). Taking care of bad teams is a good sign. Struggling against the teams that will make the playoffs is a bad one. Especially when you consider that the hardest part of our "vs .500 teams" record is being written off as it occurred before the Gay trade.

Meh. Could just be a down game. Still, this whole season is starting to feel like a mirage. We beat bad teams well enough, but we've only held our own against good teams, and that comes entirely from that miracle stretch right after the trade (we've lost 4 in a row and 6 of 7 against over .500 teams). The overall record seems to be more indicative of how many bad teams there are than of how good we are.

Probably just depressed after a loss. The team is still taking care of bad teams (7-1 against under .500 teams lately). That's a good thing, considering the upcoming schedule. Doesn't help with my belief that we are not getting a true evaluation of this team right now.
I'm not really down after the loss or even the season. The team is ahead of schedule - way ahead of schedule. It's clear that the club isn't a contender yet, but at the same time it's not that far off. The Raptors have been competitive against legitimate championship contending teams (Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma, LA Clippers) and veteran-laden, proven playoff teams (e.g., the Bulls), and they've been in a position to win many of them. The club still needs to add another piece and maybe two, and young guys like Ross and JV need to take the next steps in their development to help the club reach contending status. It's going to take another year or two to get there, but these games against the Bulls, etc. are invaluable to a young team.
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I'm not really down after the loss or even the season. The team is ahead of schedule - way ahead of schedule. It's clear that the club isn't a contender yet, but at the same time it's not that far off. The Raptors have been competitive against legitimate championship contending teams (Miami, Indiana, Oklahoma, LA Clippers) and veteran-laden, proven playoff teams (e.g., the Bulls), and they've been in a position to win many of them. The club still needs to add another piece and maybe two, and young guys like Ross and JV need to take the next steps in their development to help the club reach contending status. It's going to take another year or two to get there, but these games against the Bulls, etc. are invaluable to a young team.
You might be right but it sounds like Colangelo.
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I wonder how the discussions go during those last time outs:

Casey: Hmmm... what should we run here. DD is our best player, maybe give it to him.
Assistant 1: Well, the DD iso has never ever worked.
Assistant 2: Yeah. NEVER. Should we try something else.
Casey: I don't know. We used to always give the last shot to Dirk in Dallas.
Assistant 2: Yes, but was actually able to score in those situations.
Casey: But if we iso him, he can dribble penetrate to basket and get a foul.
Assistant 1: Have you ever seen that happen? He will end up taking an ill adviced fadeaway jumper from 6+ feet. If he doesnt dribble it of his foot. Lets try to at least get some sort of real play. He aint Kobe you know.
Casey: You are right. Kobe would also get an iso in this situation and Demar is our Kobe. So let do it.

Casey to the team: Ok. Give some screen so to DD so he can get the ball out of inbounds and move away. Make sure you dont do anything like cut or look like you would be threat to shoot. We want DD to just make the play with no one screwing it up for him.
DD: But coach, I have never hit any of these shots. I usually dont even get a shot of.
Casey: Thats ok Demar. You need to take it as learning experience. Ok lets go. And make sure you give Demar all the room. Walk outside the court if you need to.

Damn I hate Casey right now. Yes the team is fighting in every game, but the coaching in late game situations sucks so much. Twice today they tried to DD iso and again twice it was a complete failure. Just like the last game we tried it twice. Why cant they give Lowry one chance or run a play where people actually move around.
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You might be right but it sounds like Colangelo.
How so? I think it was Bill or Dan who stated in another thread that this team is completely different - the core is much younger than that 2006-07 team and there is new ownership that is willing to pay the luxury tax to field a contender.

There is no question the team still needs a bonafide, elite player, and I think MU will attempt to acquire one (this is what I meant by adding a piece or two). It's important, though, that the club not settle for 2nd- and 3rd-tier players or ageing veterans, like what BC did when he acquired O'Neal and Grunwald did with Olajuwon. I don't think he will as he has a longer-term perspective, not one on instant gratification.
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Valanciunas: 2pts/2reb
Patterson: 5pts/6reb
TH: 8pts/7reb
Amir: 9pts/3reb


That is pathetic production from our bigs.


4 players= 24pts/18reb


Dunlevea/Boozer had 19 rebounds. lol
Pathetic except for TH
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How so? I think it was Bill or Dan who stated in another thread that this team is completely different - the core is much younger than that 2006-07 team and there is new ownership that is willing to pay the luxury tax to field a contender.
at least publicly, the ownership was always supportive of paying luxury tax ...
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Pathetic except for TH
how about the bulls: noah 8/4, gibson 10/3?
amir was very good last night, did a great job on both of those guys. The problem is boozer abused PP and their guards outplayed ours on the boards.
Even so, we basically tied them on the boards, that was NOT the main problem last night ... Them shooting 50% was a much bigger deal ...
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We gave them lots of open jumpers and they hit them. I also think that both Amir and TH outplayed our starters in the game.

JVal has been struggling a lot and despite myself advocating having Amir coming of the bench, I now see the problem which is rebounding. PPat is not a good rebounder and JVal is also not the kind of guy that goes and gets them. He can block out his own guy and secure rebounds when no one else is coming for them, but when other guys are not blocking out, he is in trouble. He needs Amir or TH with him on the floor.

But I still think we need some one on the bench who can tell Casey to go into locker room for last two minutes of tight games and can draw a play for the team.

Also Casey isn't really good at waking his team up. He never gets techs to light the fire under the players and to get the whistle. We've seen now two other coaches do it against us. He really should be ready to take one for the team, instead of having Lowry take the techs and risk getting tossed.
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JV and PP just don't play well together, they don't fit.

We should go away from DeRozan in the clutch and give the ball to Kyle. He simply does not seem to be able to get a shot off in those situations.

If this was not a back-to-back, we would have won. We simply could not match their energy for most of the game.

The refs were pathetic.

I really don't understand the hate for Casey, seems like a whole bunch of annoying whining to me as if you guys want Triano Back.
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