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Old 02-19-2014, 10:58 PM   #321 (permalink)
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I can't see the value in going away from the offence that has been working to iso a wing player on 2 straight clutch possessions. It doesn't help that derozan lacks poise, as Jeff said earlier, but simply going away from Lowry, and away from the offence again and again makes no sense. Why change what works?
It doesn't matter how much sense you make, we're going to re-sign Casey and he's going to shit away games like this forever. Kyle just hit the ballsy shot, we got to go back to him. I'm trying to love DeRozan as our all-star and he does this to us. When is enough, enough?

and fucking LX is over there making up a bunch of shit excuses.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:59 PM   #322 (permalink)
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It was painful watching derozan for those last 2 offensive possessions.

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Old 02-19-2014, 10:59 PM   #323 (permalink)
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:00 PM   #324 (permalink)
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The team played hard, but his last two play calls ruin everything he may or may not have done prior, period. Just like Demar, Casey isn't a finisher.
The team did more than play hard. Nice job simplifying. The team responded very well to physical play. They showed resilience all the way, they valued possessions for the most part, and they cleaned up the second chance points. It was a loss. Are you going to act like they haven't played games like this and won?
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:00 PM   #325 (permalink)
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one of the biggest mysteries for me is why is casey so unpopular. I really don't understand it. This team is obviously overachieving and for the 2nd time in 3 years we have a very good defense and this year we have a pretty decent offense as well.

as far as the last possesion, it looked a LOT better than chicago's, I'll tell you that. And people blaming demar should remember that the average FG% in that situation is something like 15% or so (league wide).
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:01 PM   #326 (permalink)
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The team played hard, but his last two play calls ruin everything he may or may not have done prior, period. Just like Demar, Casey isn't a finisher.
I'd take a coach that outperforms for 47 minutes and sucks in the last one any day, thank you very much.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:01 PM   #327 (permalink)
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I somewhat agree with this, but then again, what offense was really working? They had nothing but tough unassisted baskets all night. And they don't get any easier at the end.
It's not just tonight though. Lowry's our playmaker, the engine of our offence when it is at its best. Yet it seems like casey ends every close game using demar as he used Rudy Gay. Sometimes it works, but it usually doesn't. We mount these big comebacks and then just iso demar in crunch time. I dunno, but it seems counter-intuitive to me.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:03 PM   #328 (permalink)
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The team did more than play hard. Nice job simplifying. The team responded very well to physical play. They showed resilience all the way, they valued possessions for the most part, and they cleaned up the second chance points. It was a loss. Are you going to act like they haven't played games like this and won?
You going to act like they haven't played games like this and lost? We came out looking like ass then turned it on trying to play catch up the rest of the game, sound familiar?
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It's not just tonight though. Lowry's our playmaker, the engine of our offence when it is at its best. Yet it seems like casey ends every close game using demar as he used Rudy Gay. Sometimes it works, but it usually doesn't. We mount these big comebacks and then just iso demar in crunch time. I dunno, but it seems counter-intuitive to me.
Bingo! For Lowry to not touch the ball the final two posessions is asinine anyway you slice it. And is there anyone here that thinks Demar thought even once about passing the ball?
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It's not just tonight though. Lowry's our playmaker, the engine of our offence when it is at its best. Yet it seems like casey ends every close game using demar as he used Rudy Gay. Sometimes it works, but it usually doesn't. We mount these big comebacks and then just iso demar in crunch time. I dunno, but it seems counter-intuitive to me.
but how are you going to use lowry though, P&R? It didn't work for 47 minutes, why would you try it in crunch time? Demar has a size advantage and can shoot over people, to me it makes sense to use him. Actually, I'd probably prefer a lowry 3 from 5 ft behind the line (honestly), but don't think that would go well with fans either
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It doesn't matter how much sense you make, we're going to re-sign Casey and he's going to shit away games like this forever. Kyle just hit the ballsy shot, we got to go back to him. I'm trying to love DeRozan as our all-star and he does this to us. When is enough, enough?

and fucking LX is over there making up a bunch of shit excuses.
What excuses did i make up? Get a fucking grip. This team wasn't suppose to win shit. They instead have a winning road record, just came off three wins, but games are being shit away? Holy hell. Do you have zero appreciation for the fact that they even had a chance to win this game, when some here were sure it was over in the first half, and in many ways it did appear to be cooked? Just take a deep breath and enjoy the next winning streak already. This game is going to be good for them in the big picture.
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It just reiterates that Casey has no idea what he's doing in terms of drawing up offensive sets at games end. The fact that this kind of shit still happens just shows he doesn't have a clue how to draw up a good set play to get a score out of a time out, a glaring weakness of his since he's been a Head Coach.

When this happens in the playoffs, and it will, I think you'll(LX) be in agreement that we need an upgrade at HC if we're really going to become a contending team in the near future as Masai and Leiweke have promised. Casey isn't the coach of the future for this team, he's a stop gap.
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but how are you going to use lowry though, P&R? It didn't work for 47 minutes, why would you try it in crunch time? Demar has a size advantage and can shoot over people, to me it makes sense to use him. Actually, I'd probably prefer a lowry 3 from 5 ft behind the line (honestly), but don't think that would go well with fans either
Both times though? It didn't work once........so do it again?
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Bingo! For Lowry to not touch the ball the final two posessions is asinine anyway you slice it. And is there anyone here that thinks Demar thought even once about passing the ball?
even if you are right in this one, what difference does it make? Did you enjoy's chicago performance in crunchtime? Does the fact that we have the best record in the 4th quarter league wide makes any difference?

Let me put it like this, if we had a better coach, would our record be better now?
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You going to act like they haven't played games like this and lost? We came out looking like ass then turned it on trying to play catch up the rest of the game, sound familiar?
They didn't play that bad. Chicago is playing really good right now. I'm sorry if you can't see that. And we have two young guys that did not at all rise to the occasion. Should Casey just outright bench them? Didn't think so. I'm pretty sure you were just about to check the boxscore for minutes and go apeshit.
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but how are you going to use lowry though, P&R? It didn't work for 47 minutes, why would you try it in crunch time? Demar has a size advantage and can shoot over people, to me it makes sense to use him. Actually, I'd probably prefer a lowry 3 from 5 ft behind the line (honestly), but don't think that would go well with fans either
I mean if it has to be an iso play, Kyle's your man.

And I would prefer one of those long 3s too.
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but how are you going to use lowry though, P&R? It didn't work for 47 minutes, why would you try it in crunch time? Demar has a size advantage and can shoot over people, to me it makes sense to use him. Actually, I'd probably prefer a lowry 3 from 5 ft behind the line (honestly), but don't think that would go well with fans either
For me, it's the fact that he ran the play the first time, and it didn't work, and then ran the exact same play again, with Demar going 1 on 1 vs one of the best, if not the best, 1 on 1 defenders in the NBA. You won't see the top coaches in the NBA pull that shit. Watching some of the best teams in the NBA run sets out of timeouts versus watching the Raptors is like night and day.

Run a real play for once. That's what you're getting paid for. Jeff could have drawn up that bullshit. Why even call a timeout?
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It just reiterates that Casey has no idea what he's doing in terms of drawing up offensive sets at games end. The fact that this kind of shit still happens just shows he doesn't have a clue how to draw up a good set play to get a score out of a time out, a glaring weakness of his since he's been a Head Coach.

When this happens in the playoffs, and it will, I think you'll(LX) be in agreement that we need an upgrade at HC if we're really going to become a contending team in the near future as Masai and Leiweke have promised. Casey isn't the coach of the future for this team, he's a stop gap.
I disagree, if that's truly a problem, let's hire a top offensive assistant who can draw plays for the final minute. I think you will agree that it's a lot harder to build a top 5 defense than to draw some creative plays for the last minute of a game (a situation that happens maybe 10 times a season). no?
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I mean if it has to be an iso play, Kyle's your man.

And I would prefer one of those long 3s too.
Kyle was 4-13. Fuck Casey for not seeing how he absolutely needed a low percentage shot on the last possession.
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For me, it's the fact that he ran the play the first time, and it didn't work, and then ran the exact same play again, with Demar going 1 on 1 vs one of the best, if not the best, 1 on 1 defenders in the NBA. You won't see the top coaches in the NBA pull that shit. Watching some of the best teams in the NBA run sets out of timeouts versus watching the Raptors is like night and day.

Run a real play for once. That's what you're getting paid for. Jeff could have drawn up that bullshit. Why even call a timeout?
I get that and I agree - it was a mistake. He is clearly not very imaginative and has some stubborn conceptions about end-game plays. But really, is that something that's so difficult to change? Players improve from season to season, surely coaches can do the same.

Thibodeau is probably a worse offensive coach than casey (was definitely worse 3-4 seasons ago). Would you like him here?
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