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Old 04-20-2014, 11:43 AM   #1121 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2014, 11:49 AM   #1122 (permalink)
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The bad start and trailing from behind is far from surprising. Post all-star game this team always shot itself in the foot and somehow managed to pull wins through by piggybacking on a great 4th quarter with demar, Lowry or Vasquez having good stretches. Now that we are in the playoffs where every play counts, the refs swallow their whistles, and you get some clutch play from pierce, it truly exposes our need for a demar to elevate his game. They need to step their game up, as with that crazy crowd, their unpreparedness was quite embarrassing. Without home court advantage, all the pressure is on us. Needless to say, it's hard to count this team out.

What I don't understand is why Casey didn't prepare a tighter rotation before the playoffs. Getting 8 players used too playing big minutes. It seemed that the rotation was really off this game, could've been because of Ross' foul trouble, then again there was no reason for Hayes to remain playing when Val was ready.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:09 PM   #1123 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:19 PM   #1124 (permalink)
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Raptor fans on Facebook are all blaming the refs. See... that's good fans there, never blame the players.
I didn't see any particularly crippling referee'ing to be honest.
It was all on us.
Demar forcing his game. Casey sticking with Salmons. Salmons is well over the hill. Amir being exposed as a bench player playing a starter role. And we just clung on by Lowry and Vasquez getting hot - God bless their heart.

At the start when we were going to JV, and Kidd yanked Garnett out early - that was a good indicator of what we needed to stick to. This was supposed to be JV's platform to really shine. This could have been his coming out party. But the guards just seemed to be looking for their own shot. It was a completely selfish performance.

I love this team but that was inexcusable. Nothing to do with the refs.

I'm ready for Munroe, nail me to the cross if you must. We have zero post presence.

EDIT one thing we must do is deal with Truth who is playing at the 4. He's too mobile for Amir. I'm not sure what we can do about that. Landry Fields should have been a part of this team. It's so frustrating.

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Old 04-20-2014, 12:19 PM   #1125 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:21 PM   #1126 (permalink)
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No doubt he was a part of the run, but he doesn't have the energy of 21 year old. He gives great minutes in short stretches but the most impactful player for the raps against the nets was rotting on the bench too long into the 4th
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:30 PM   #1127 (permalink)
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If you go back a page or two, you'll see you and I are very much on the same page here, Ball Don't Lie.
Yeah, I started reading the thread after venting and I saw that we basically made the same points, haha.

We're really close to being really good(roster wise), but with the team as currently constructed, Casey needs to get his head out of his ass and only play 8(preferably 7) guys. He should limit the rotation to having PP/AMIR/JV as the only bigs playing, and Vasquez as the only guard coming off of the bench and just rotate him with the starters at the 1/2/3. If there's a few leftover minutes, as others have alluded to, Fields should be getting those minutes, not Salmons, who got lit up in the 1st half by Joe Johnson, which was supposed to be his primary job, and the one thing he was good at, which clearly wasn't the case.

I still can't believe we had Vasquez guard their playmakers when we could have had him guarding a spot up player when he was on the court. If that happens again in game 2, how can anyone continue to defend Casey?

Hopefully Derozan proves me wrong in Game 2(and this series) as well, but I think we're going to have to win despite his poor play this series as I don't think he's going to be an effective player if he continues to revert back to his bad habits. If the Nets are going to show hard on him, he needs to be a playmaker, as there's no reason why he shouldn't be averaging 6+ assists per game this series beside him being selfish and trying to prove he's a great scorer, which was the case yesterday as he was always looking for his shot first instead of making the correct skip pass, or quick drop pass to the big man rolling.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:37 PM   #1128 (permalink)
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With Amir, he wasn't bad on defence yesterday, as Pierce was 2/9 going into the 4th if I'm not mistaken(though he did miss a few wide open 3's, but Amirs rotations were fine). The thing that Amir needs to do more of to be an effective starter is use his size vs Pierce on offence, and physically wear him down by getting into the paint and trying to duck in for easy entry feeds to where he can catch and make his patented 5 hook hook, and if that isn't available, he should be wearing on PP by boxing him out and bodying him every possession under the rim when shots go up so Pierce is so tired from trying to keep Amir off of the boards that he has less energy to operate offensively.

Pierce can't stay with Amir on the boards obviously, so like Derozan not getting at least 6 APG the way the Nets are playing him, there's no reason why Amir shouldnt be getting 5+ ORB a game in that matchup. If Amir plays like a force downlow on the boards, then the Nets will need to re think the matchup, not us.
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Old 04-20-2014, 12:57 PM   #1129 (permalink)
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re watching the game on tv, what a shame lower bowl has become due to ticket prices. ugh so sick. herpa derp :therock:
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:06 PM   #1130 (permalink)
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Old 04-20-2014, 03:45 PM   #1131 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2014, 11:15 AM   #1132 (permalink)
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Even when Amir is 'horrible' the team is just so much more balanced with him being mobile and crashing the offensive glass than when Patterson is camping out by the three point line. Despite Amir's two turnovers early on, just being a second body in the paint led to a couple offensive putbacks by Jonas so I don't think he was ineffective in the match-up because putting pressure on Brooklyn in the paint with two bodies rather than one led to Jonas having a great start.

Patterson hanging out at the three point line and not crashing the glass is not good. It's bargnaniesque and it was happening on both offense and defense.

The numbers never tell Amir's impact on a game - Casey needs to roll with him and let him get in a flow in this series. 21 minutes was ridiculous. Amir should be getting 35-40 minutes a game with Jonas and Patterson forming the rest of the rotation up front.

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Old 04-21-2014, 12:38 PM   #1133 (permalink)
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On Amir vs. Patterson - taking into account the rebounding efforts of JV lately, and keeping in mind that DeRozan is not really a threat from three, I can easily live with Patterson as a starting power forward being used offensively to spread the floor, so that JV (and DeRozan) could operate in the post (both low and high) easier.

BTW, in three out of four Eastern series the hosts lost Game 1. At least we are not alone.
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Old 04-21-2014, 12:49 PM   #1134 (permalink)
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On Amir vs. Patterson - taking into account the rebounding efforts of JV lately, and keeping in mind that DeRozan is not really a threat from three, I can easily live with Patterson as a starting power forward being used offensively to spread the floor, so that JV (and DeRozan) could operate in the post (both low and high) easier.

BTW, in three out of four Eastern series the hosts lost Game 1. At least we are not alone.
Not to mention, The Clips lost at home, and so did the Rockets last night.

5 out of 8 games to be exact where the road team won.
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Old 04-21-2014, 01:50 PM   #1135 (permalink)
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Old 04-21-2014, 02:24 PM   #1136 (permalink)
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I think playing Fields with Patterson is a decent idea only because Fields will give us a second player crashing the offensive glass assuming that Amir/JV are at the C spot at the time. To many possessions last game were ending with 4 players standing at the three point line.
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