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Old 05-01-2014, 12:27 PM   #821 (permalink)
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:30 PM   #822 (permalink)
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From where I was sitting, there were so many plays that were just inexcusable in the 4th that I have a hard time blaming Casey or Demar.

Out of a timeout, nobody picks up Teletovic. They didn't even run a play, three point swish.

Amir casually throwing a bouncepass to Grievis which is easily picked off for the easy bucket in transition.

Lowry making that horrible play on the sideline across from the benches, I can't even remember what he was doing; turnover leading to two points.

And give some credit to Brooklyn for shot-making. They hit some tough ones. It was bad quarter by the entire team. One player can't be responsible for a 40 point quarter.

There was so much bad offense that led to easy buckets for the Nets. And as bad as Demar might have been in the 4th, he's just unbelievably clutch from the line.

His team just gave up a 25 point fourth quarter lead, and he calmly steps to the line and knocks down 4 free throws.

Clutch.
NOT AN ATTEMPT TO GO INTO A DEMAR DISCUSSION

however,

I have a hard time calling someone clutch at free throw shootiing

but then again I get disgusted seeing any freethrow percentage below at the least an 80%.

That is the one thing a million dollar athlete should be good at.

Pro Golfer and 3-5 fotters
Soccer players and free kicks
Baseball players and making a routing catch on a pop fly

Its one of the easiest shots in the game and it should always be a simply thing to make. Its muscle memory.

I am not clutch at doing year ends, or tax returns.

Last night was deadline, I had to returns left, but I calmly clicked my mouse and Bam, mother fuckers were on time.
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What a hell of a game to attend...I'll tell you that much

Half way threw the third and up until the beginning of the 4th there was some stupid guy a row back from me that kept telling his friends "this game is over" and his friends were like "noooooo don't say that man, are you stupid".....I blame him for the collapse in the 4th.

Heres from View from row 5 from last nights game

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OK. So pardon my french here, but that was more stressful than it needed to be due to completely moronic coaching, and the disinterested play of one DeMar DeRozan. If you are a huge fan of DD, it would be best if you didn't read this post. It will likely only irritate you, to no one's benefit. If you're a huge fan of Casey, probably should skip it too. I apologize in advance for the length.

Fuck Dwane Casey. Chuck Hayes? Chuck Hayes??? How does JV not see the floor for 6+ minutes to start the 4th Q? He's 21. He can get back in after a 2 minute rest (plus the quarter break). Especially if you're going to yank him again come the 8 minute mark. How does DD have the ball in his hands down the stretch? Ever? Lowry is an infinitely better option, no matter what the defence is doing.

You know what? Those first 3 quarters, the Raps ran pick and roll down the Nets' throat, almost entirely initiated by their PG's. And it destroyed them, and their traps, and their overall defensive schemes, and killed their offence because it just sucks mentally to get scored on like that. And guess what? It worked great. And it stopped fucking dead in the 4th. Not because of the Nets. Because Casey a) put the ball in DeRozan's hands and b) when he finally started calling more pick and rolls, it was with Chuck Hayes setting the screen every fucking time. How stupid do you have to be to look at an offence that isn't working with Amir and Patterson in there, and say, I know how to fix this - Chuck Hayes. How could you not put Jonas in?

And DeMar. DeMar, DeMar, DeMar. You were the cause of at least 60% of the failed defensive rotations in the 4th Q. Joe Johnson scored as though you weren't even there. Then, when you got switched onto Anderson, you not once, but twice, pulled your usual 'drift down to the paint' defensive move, and forgot that a) you are providing no help in doing so and b) you have a man, his name is Alan Anderson, and he's now alone at the 3 point line. And both times, another teammate of yours figured that out before you did, ran out, and stupidly fouled him to give him a 4 point play. That was stupid of them. But root cause of the defensive issues? You all the way buddy. That's not even mentioning the 3rd Q, where you pretty much singlehandedly served JJ a run of 14 of the Nets' 16 points for a stretch (literally, 14 points on 6/6 shooting in 6 minutes), since the Raps (read: Valanciunas and Lowry, the real stars of this team) kept scoring to keep it a big lead.

And offensively? If I ever again see you WAVE AWAY A FUCKING SCREEN (from Amir Johnson, probably the most effective screen setter in the NBA) to go all iso-ball-DD-is-the-hero with like 10 seconds still on the shot clock and jack a fucking long contested two with the game on the line and under 2 minutes left in the 4th Q, I might just have an aneurysm. Oh, by the way, remember right after your coach called for the team to foul Blatche to force two free throws instead of the tying 3, and all the team had to do was rebound the ball. That's all, rebound the ball, game over. That's the winning play right fucking there. AND YOU DIDN'T BOX OUT. You dragged your lazy ass into the lane, jumping for the rebound with no fucking idea where your man was, and guess what, he fucking beat you to the ball, and the only reason the team didn't get ruined by it is because Blatche might be the single stupidest player in the league and threw the ball away. Because you were lazy, on the most important rebound of the entire fucking season. Lazy like you always are on D. You think Salmons is that much stronger than you that he can contain JJ? He can't contain JJ. That's why he puts effort into fronting, denying, bodying up. I just want to be clear. I HATE John Salmons and the way he plays basketball. And I am currently singing his fucking praises in comparison to the way you play. Hey, you know Kyle Lowry? He of the 7-inches-shorter-than-you stature? He got switched onto JJ a couple times, and he contested his shots better than you did even once all game.

You know what DeMar? I gave it a shot. I bought into the "someone has to take the tough shots" arguments. I watched you do nothing on defence all year, and I bought the reasoning that you were improving, because how could a key member of a top 10 defence not be at least decent at defence? I appreciated the improved passing, the potency of your drive game and ability to draw fouls. And all season, I said, I still think you're the one to go if this team is to get better. But I'll give you a shot. And as the season went on, you played better and better. You still took too many jumpers, but you passed a bit more, you got to the line, and the offence was clicking, so maybe you were serving a purpose. You even showed a little life defensively.

But you know what? I wanted to see you get better. I really did. So maybe I didn't really see what I thought I saw. Because tonight, you showed none of that. You know the 2nd quarter? That stretch of the game where the lead went from 3 points to 20? The best the team has looked all year? You played 9 important minutes in that Q. You played some D. And guess what? You took ZERO shots. Not one, and the offence was better than it's ever been. And the defence was good too. Good for you. Then you stopped fucking playing. And thanks very much for that. I'm not going to be apologetic or half-assed in my stance any more. You made it very clear what has to happen for this team to go anywhere.

You've gotta go, man. I appreciate the hard work you put in in practice to try to develop your offensive game. And kudos for knocking down those free throws. Got the win, good job. But I can't watch you any more. I'll keep cheering for you. I will. You're on the Raptors. That's all it takes for me. But you've gotta know - you've stopped giving me other reasons to cheer. I just have the one now.

Did you see Jonas Valanciunas, in the 2nd Q, after Teletovic missed the first of two free throws? He grabbed the ball, and screamed in triumph because the opponent missed one free throw. That right there. That's called caring. One point. Worth fucking celebrating. Meanwhile, you have no issues giving up 2 (or 3 or 4) because of your lazy defence, or throwing away possessions with your iso ball offence.

Again to all here, I apologize for the language, and the length. That 2nd half, and specifically 4th Q, was the most frustrated I have ever been with a player-coach combo (and I include Bargnani-Triano in that). Just needed to vent. And I am actually really happy that we won (more relieved than happy after that abomination of a 4th Q). I'll be excited as hell come Friday for the Raps to close this bad boy out and go take on the Heat. But I cannot watch what I just watched and come in here and post "good game boys." Because it's just not true. Not for some of the boys.

PS - Great games from JV and Lowry, as usual. Vasquez brought what he needed to bring. Patterson was good, outside of the boneheaded foul and forgetting where Teletovic was a couple times, but GV and Amir managed one each as well, so tough to be too critical. Not enough minutes for Patterson. Not NEARLY enough minutes for JV. The wing minutes rotation was actually decent, except of course for DD playing at all in the 2nd half (seriously, 3 minutes into the 3rd Q I was praying he's get in foul trouble so he couldn't lead the inevitable defensive collapse). Would have liked to see some Fields, but maybe he's still hurt. Ross got going, which is great. Started with the D, got out and ran, and even early when he was missing he was aggressive. Just looked a lot better right out the gate, so it wasn't surprising (though it was very exciting) when he started nailing 3's. Amir seemed lost a lot of the game (though solid offensively) on the defensive end - too much jumping at shooters. Too many minutes for Amir this game - he struggled in his match ups, and was one of two starters (guess the other!) with a huge negative plus-minus.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:43 PM   #826 (permalink)
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Yeah, no way JV's that stupid. You could clearly hear the refs' whistles frantically blowing while D-Will was getting his shot off. At first I thought it was because he didn't get the shot off in time, but as we saw they called it a backcourt violation. Seems like every player and ref on the court was aware of the violation at the same instant it happened, but no one else...
It was quite obvious that everyone on the court knew it was back court violation. Check replay to see that PPat who was closest to DWill and running towards him was clapping his hands to aplaud the play instead of trying to prevent a shot even before DWill caught the ball.

The NBATV announcers just didnt have a clue and kept talking about them reviewing whether it was tapped or not and if the shot was on time, when they were actually reviewing to see how much time to put back on clock.

They cant review if it was tipped to see if it was back court violation and then decide that it was tipped so play should have continued and that Jonas block should be called goal tending. That would be like guy stripping someone at midcourt, stepping close to line and refs calling it out of bounds. Then everyone else stops playing and they guy goes and sinks the layup. After that refs would take a look at tape, see that he wasnt out of bounds so the basket should stand.

There is a limited set of things refs can look from the tape and there is a reason to that.
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Old 05-01-2014, 12:45 PM   #827 (permalink)
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I am not clutch at doing year ends, or tax returns.

Last night was deadline, I had to returns left, but I calmly clicked my mouse and Bam, mother fuckers were on time.
Do you often do tax returns in a stadium full of 20,000 screaming people?

Should be or could be, whatever, it was clutch. That situation, to calmly knock down 4 for 4 is money.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:05 PM   #828 (permalink)
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Btw. That last inbound with 1 sec left in clock. Unbelievable stupidity there also. Like Raps were trying to lose. The pass was a lob back towards our own net. Basically if DWill had been able to intercept, he would have had a shot from free throwline.

That was a huge risk. Why not put a low pass towards opponents basket (even roll the ball on the floor). Even if Raps dont get it there is only one second to pick up the ball and make a shot from own half. Its quite hard to take the ball from ground and release in less than 1 sec to make a halfcourt shot and you have people there you have to shoot over in this situation too.

The collective stupidity of all the playes by Raps on fourth (along with idiocy from coach in lineups) was probably some sort of record. High school kids would make less stupid mistakes in that situation.
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So after a great game like last night, with the franchise posting its first lead, as well as its best playoff performance in 13 years and how does TSN, the official broadcaster of Raptors Playoff basketball start of sports center?

10AM-10:03AM - John Tortorella fired by Vancouver Canucks
10:04-10:06 - Raptors Highlights (1 min less coverage then Vancover firing their coach, in what is their offseason)

Things might be slowly changing.....but I feel like even if we won a Championship, things like this would still stay the same
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Coming from Kidd and anyone from that team, that's rich.
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yeah flopping is what lost the game for them..
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NOT AN ATTEMPT TO GO INTO A DEMAR DISCUSSION

however,

I have a hard time calling someone clutch at free throw shootiing

but then again I get disgusted seeing any freethrow percentage below at the least an 80%.

That is the one thing a million dollar athlete should be good at.

Pro Golfer and 3-5 fotters
Soccer players and free kicks
Baseball players and making a routing catch on a pop fly

Its one of the easiest shots in the game and it should always be a simply thing to make. Its muscle memory.

I am not clutch at doing year ends, or tax returns.

Last night was deadline, I had to returns left, but I calmly clicked my mouse and Bam, mother fuckers were on time.
You are probably the only one who won't equate making late free throws with a playoff game on the line to being clutch.

The free throws were absolutely clutch. There is difference between shooting foul shots in an empty gym and shooting them at the end of a 48 minute playoff game with 20,000 plus in attendance...after blowing a 26 point lead.
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Do you often do tax returns in a stadium full of 20,000 screaming people?

Should be or could be, whatever, it was clutch. That situation, to calmly knock down 4 for 4 is money.
100% agree with this and was careful to give him credit for it in my post because his late game free throws have been key to two of the three wins so far in this series, and others missing free throws has been a big story as well (both DWill and Patterson arguably cost their teams a game with clutch free throw misses). It's one of his remaining redeeming qualities for me.
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think how great he would be with a proper bigman to p&r with and some catch and shoot wings to kick ball out to.
amir is a great P&R player
and ross is an elite corner shooter
ok, demar is not, but even then is passable from the corner

if only casey would choose to run P&R, but alas, it's not part of his gamebook
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Btw. That last inbound with 1 sec left in clock. Unbelievable stupidity there also. Like Raps were trying to lose. The pass was a lob back towards our own net. Basically if DWill had been able to intercept, he would have had a shot from free throwline.

That was a huge risk. Why not put a low pass towards opponents basket (even roll the ball on the floor). Even if Raps dont get it there is only one second to pick up the ball and make a shot from own half. Its quite hard to take the ball from ground and release in less than 1 sec to make a halfcourt shot and you have people there you have to shoot over in this situation too.

The collective stupidity of all the playes by Raps on fourth (along with idiocy from coach in lineups) was probably some sort of record. High school kids would make less stupid mistakes in that situation.
yeah, was thinking the same thing
not sure if they had T/Os left, because there was enough time to steal, call timeout and run a play, so there was that danger to counterbalance

if they had no time outs, it's a no brainer you throw the ball somewhere towards their sideline, by the time they catch, turn around, it's unlikely they even get a shot, and that shot would be a side to side 3pt attempt ...
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100% agree with this and was careful to give him credit for it in my post because his late game free throws have been key to two of the three wins so far in this series, and others missing free throws has been a big story as well (both DWill and Patterson arguably cost their teams a game with clutch free throw misses). It's one of his remaining redeeming qualities for me.
I want to see the game on TV and I'll be curious to watch Derozan, because being at the game, he didn't stand out in the 4th quarter as being the primary culprit in letting Brooklyn comeback. I can't remember one play where the crowd was grumbling because of Derozan, and there were a number of plays in the 4th that did have the crowd grumbling.

I think watching the TV it might a bit easier to lock the binoculars on to one particular player. Nobody is going to look good in a quarter where they give up a 25point lead.
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Do you often do tax returns in a stadium full of 20,000 screaming people?

Should be or could be, whatever, it was clutch. That situation, to calmly knock down 4 for 4 is money.
I am quite confident that I could step onto a court anywhere right now and do that. well, at least 90% of the time make the shot anyways.

But point is that an nba athlete SHOULD make that shot, the other things going on really have no bearings on it at all. Routine and muscle memory. If you are an 80% shooter, you should make 80% of your free throws. period.

Clutch would be taking and making a tough shot, under tough defense, with a hand in your face as time runs out.
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Well Snooch, regardless of what you think should be the case, basketball players of all ages prove time and time again that knocking down clutch free throws is anything but easy. The loneliest place in pro-sports - the free throw line.
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I am quite confident that I could step onto a court anywhere right now and do that. well, at least 90% of the time make the shot anyways.

But point is that an nba athlete SHOULD make that shot, the other things going on really have no bearings on it at all. Routine and muscle memory. If you are an 80% shooter, you should make 80% of your free throws. period.

Clutch would be taking and making a tough shot, under tough defense, with a hand in your face as time runs out.
You have no idea what you're talking about.
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You are probably the only one who won't equate making late free throws with a playoff game on the line to being clutch.

The free throws were absolutely clutch. There is difference between shooting foul shots in an empty gym and shooting them at the end of a 48 minute playoff game with 20,000 plus in attendance...after blowing a 26 point lead.
If that sort of thing affects a player then they are incredibly weak minded.

And I for one don't think Demar is weak minded.


It is a shot he has practiced and made thousands of times in his lifetime, and for most players, it is always the exact same routine.

I for one would be shocked if an NBA player even heard the crowd at all when setting up their shot. Most likely don't even notice them sitting there either.
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