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Old 05-01-2014, 07:01 AM   #801 (permalink)
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JV with the almost goaltending at the end. Thank god that the refs didn't call it a tap ball.
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JV with the almost goaltending at the end. Thank god that the refs didn't call it a tap ball.
I looked up the game recap vid on nba.com and it really did look like Jonas committed the goaltend. How did the refs miss this???

Don't get me wrong, I'll take the win, but I have some mixed feelings about this....
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I looked up the game recap vid on nba.com and it really did look like Jonas committed the goaltend. How did the refs miss this???

Don't get me wrong, I'll take the win, but I have some mixed feelings about this....
It was a backcourt violation before the shot went up, so all is well.
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It was a backcourt violation before the shot went up, so all is well.
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It would have been the biggest fail ever lol
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it was after the buzzer
no it wasn't, it was a back-court violation
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OK. So pardon my french here, but that was more stressful than it needed to be due to completely moronic coaching, and the disinterested play of one DeMar DeRozan. If you are a huge fan of DD, it would be best if you didn't read this post. It will likely only irritate you, to no one's benefit. If you're a huge fan of Casey, probably should skip it too. I apologize in advance for the length.

Fuck Dwane Casey. Chuck Hayes? Chuck Hayes??? How does JV not see the floor for 6+ minutes to start the 4th Q? He's 21. He can get back in after a 2 minute rest (plus the quarter break). Especially if you're going to yank him again come the 8 minute mark. How does DD have the ball in his hands down the stretch? Ever? Lowry is an infinitely better option, no matter what the defence is doing.

You know what? Those first 3 quarters, the Raps ran pick and roll down the Nets' throat, almost entirely initiated by their PG's. And it destroyed them, and their traps, and their overall defensive schemes, and killed their offence because it just sucks mentally to get scored on like that. And guess what? It worked great. And it stopped fucking dead in the 4th. Not because of the Nets. Because Casey a) put the ball in DeRozan's hands and b) when he finally started calling more pick and rolls, it was with Chuck Hayes setting the screen every fucking time. How stupid do you have to be to look at an offence that isn't working with Amir and Patterson in there, and say, I know how to fix this - Chuck Hayes. How could you not put Jonas in?

And DeMar. DeMar, DeMar, DeMar. You were the cause of at least 60% of the failed defensive rotations in the 4th Q. Joe Johnson scored as though you weren't even there. Then, when you got switched onto Anderson, you not once, but twice, pulled your usual 'drift down to the paint' defensive move, and forgot that a) you are providing no help in doing so and b) you have a man, his name is Alan Anderson, and he's now alone at the 3 point line. And both times, another teammate of yours figured that out before you did, ran out, and stupidly fouled him to give him a 4 point play. That was stupid of them. But root cause of the defensive issues? You all the way buddy. That's not even mentioning the 3rd Q, where you pretty much singlehandedly served JJ a run of 14 of the Nets' 16 points for a stretch (literally, 14 points on 6/6 shooting in 6 minutes), since the Raps (read: Valanciunas and Lowry, the real stars of this team) kept scoring to keep it a big lead.

And offensively? If I ever again see you WAVE AWAY A FUCKING SCREEN (from Amir Johnson, probably the most effective screen setter in the NBA) to go all iso-ball-DD-is-the-hero with like 10 seconds still on the shot clock and jack a fucking long contested two with the game on the line and under 2 minutes left in the 4th Q, I might just have an aneurysm. Oh, by the way, remember right after your coach called for the team to foul Blatche to force two free throws instead of the tying 3, and all the team had to do was rebound the ball. That's all, rebound the ball, game over. That's the winning play right fucking there. AND YOU DIDN'T BOX OUT. You dragged your lazy ass into the lane, jumping for the rebound with no fucking idea where your man was, and guess what, he fucking beat you to the ball, and the only reason the team didn't get ruined by it is because Blatche might be the single stupidest player in the league and threw the ball away. Because you were lazy, on the most important rebound of the entire fucking season. Lazy like you always are on D. You think Salmons is that much stronger than you that he can contain JJ? He can't contain JJ. That's why he puts effort into fronting, denying, bodying up. I just want to be clear. I HATE John Salmons and the way he plays basketball. And I am currently singing his fucking praises in comparison to the way you play. Hey, you know Kyle Lowry? He of the 7-inches-shorter-than-you stature? He got switched onto JJ a couple times, and he contested his shots better than you did even once all game.

You know what DeMar? I gave it a shot. I bought into the "someone has to take the tough shots" arguments. I watched you do nothing on defence all year, and I bought the reasoning that you were improving, because how could a key member of a top 10 defence not be at least decent at defence? I appreciated the improved passing, the potency of your drive game and ability to draw fouls. And all season, I said, I still think you're the one to go if this team is to get better. But I'll give you a shot. And as the season went on, you played better and better. You still took too many jumpers, but you passed a bit more, you got to the line, and the offence was clicking, so maybe you were serving a purpose. You even showed a little life defensively.

But you know what? I wanted to see you get better. I really did. So maybe I didn't really see what I thought I saw. Because tonight, you showed none of that. You know the 2nd quarter? That stretch of the game where the lead went from 3 points to 20? The best the team has looked all year? You played 9 important minutes in that Q. You played some D. And guess what? You took ZERO shots. Not one, and the offence was better than it's ever been. And the defence was good too. Good for you. Then you stopped fucking playing. And thanks very much for that. I'm not going to be apologetic or half-assed in my stance any more. You made it very clear what has to happen for this team to go anywhere.

You've gotta go, man. I appreciate the hard work you put in in practice to try to develop your offensive game. And kudos for knocking down those free throws. Got the win, good job. But I can't watch you any more. I'll keep cheering for you. I will. You're on the Raptors. That's all it takes for me. But you've gotta know - you've stopped giving me other reasons to cheer. I just have the one now.

Did you see Jonas Valanciunas, in the 2nd Q, after Teletovic missed the first of two free throws? He grabbed the ball, and screamed in triumph because the opponent missed one free throw. That right there. That's called caring. One point. Worth fucking celebrating. Meanwhile, you have no issues giving up 2 (or 3 or 4) because of your lazy defence, or throwing away possessions with your iso ball offence.

Again to all here, I apologize for the language, and the length. That 2nd half, and specifically 4th Q, was the most frustrated I have ever been with a player-coach combo (and I include Bargnani-Triano in that). Just needed to vent. And I am actually really happy that we won (more relieved than happy after that abomination of a 4th Q). I'll be excited as hell come Friday for the Raps to close this bad boy out and go take on the Heat. But I cannot watch what I just watched and come in here and post "good game boys." Because it's just not true. Not for some of the boys.

PS - Great games from JV and Lowry, as usual. Vasquez brought what he needed to bring. Patterson was good, outside of the boneheaded foul and forgetting where Teletovic was a couple times, but GV and Amir managed one each as well, so tough to be too critical. Not enough minutes for Patterson. Not NEARLY enough minutes for JV. The wing minutes rotation was actually decent, except of course for DD playing at all in the 2nd half (seriously, 3 minutes into the 3rd Q I was praying he's get in foul trouble so he couldn't lead the inevitable defensive collapse). Would have liked to see some Fields, but maybe he's still hurt. Ross got going, which is great. Started with the D, got out and ran, and even early when he was missing he was aggressive. Just looked a lot better right out the gate, so it wasn't surprising (though it was very exciting) when he started nailing 3's. Amir seemed lost a lot of the game (though solid offensively) on the defensive end - too much jumping at shooters. Too many minutes for Amir this game - he struggled in his match ups, and was one of two starters (guess the other!) with a huge negative plus-minus.

This is easily the best post in the thread!
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Dan post's was one of the best posts on here in a while.
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I looked up the game recap vid on nba.com and it really did look like Jonas committed the goaltend. How did the refs miss this???

Don't get me wrong, I'll take the win, but I have some mixed feelings about this....
Well the refs then have to call it twice since they already call it a back court. Patterson which has the chance to block that shot but didn't even bother to chase dwill since its already called a back court

Cmon do we really think JV that stupid

Those guys in the NBATV (except chuck) needs to comment on something stupid because they don't know anything about the raptors, they probably didn't watch any Raptors game. They are wrong and Chuck is right

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Old 05-01-2014, 10:34 AM   #813 (permalink)
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Well the refs then have to call it twice since they already call it a back court. Patterson which has the chance to block that shot but didn't even bother to chase dwill since its already called a back court

Cmon do we really think JV that stupid

Those guys in the NBATV (except chuck) needs to comment on something stupid because they don't know anything about the raptors, they probably didn't watch any Raptors game. They are wrong and Chuck is right
Yeah, no way JV's that stupid. You could clearly hear the refs' whistles frantically blowing while D-Will was getting his shot off. At first I thought it was because he didn't get the shot off in time, but as we saw they called it a backcourt violation. Seems like every player and ref on the court was aware of the violation at the same instant it happened, but no one else...
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From where I was sitting, there were so many plays that were just inexcusable in the 4th that I have a hard time blaming Casey or Demar.

Out of a timeout, nobody picks up Teletovic. They didn't even run a play, three point swish.

Amir casually throwing a bouncepass to Grievis which is easily picked off for the easy bucket in transition.

Lowry making that horrible play on the sideline across from the benches, I can't even remember what he was doing; turnover leading to two points.

And give some credit to Brooklyn for shot-making. They hit some tough ones. It was bad quarter by the entire team. One player can't be responsible for a 40 point quarter.

There was so much bad offense that led to easy buckets for the Nets. And as bad as Demar might have been in the 4th, he's just unbelievably clutch from the line.

His team just gave up a 25 point fourth quarter lead, and he calmly steps to the line and knocks down 4 free throws.

Clutch.

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From where I was sitting, there were so many plays that were just inexcusable in the 4th that I have a hard time blaming Casey or Demar.

Out of a timeout, nobody picks up Teletovic. They didn't even run a play, three point swish.

Amir casually throwing a bouncepass to Grievis which is easily picked off for the easy bucket in transition.

Lowry making that horrible play on the sideline across from the benches, I can't even remember what he was doing; turnover leading to two points.

And give some credit to Brooklyn for shot-making. They hit some tough ones. It was bad quarter by the entire team. One player can't be responsible for a 40 point quarter.

There was so much bad offense that led to easy buckets for the Nets. And as bad as Demar might have been in the 4th, he's just unbelievably clutch from the line.

His team just gave up a 25 point fourth quarter lead, and he calmly steps to the line and knocks down 4 free throws.

Clutch.
Demar was clutch with his FT's, true. I was expecting him to miss a couple as he often does late in games. To me though, Lowry's 5pts late won this game.....hell his play this game in general won this game for us. Amir was an absolute bonehead in the 4th quarter.
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Demar was clutch with his FT's, true. I was expecting him to miss a couple as he often does late in games. To me though, Lowry's 5pts late won this game.....hell his play this game in general won this game for us. Amir was an absolute bonehead in the 4th quarter.
Lowry was definitely the star of the show. He was insane. He made one bad play the entire evening. The entire crowd stood up as he was shooting his first two threes, it's like everyone just expected him to make every shot all evening - he loves to perform in that atmosphere. It was awesome.

I loved the lint-roll references is some of the time-out sketches on the jumbotron. Funny stuff.
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Yea I was watching the game outside and everyone was just expecting all the threes to go in. ANy three that was made the whole place went crazy. Lowry got MVP chants as well
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this shot and lowry's buzzer beater seemed insignificant but......

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From where I was sitting, there were so many plays that were just inexcusable in the 4th that I have a hard time blaming Casey or Demar.

Out of a timeout, nobody picks up Teletovic. They didn't even run a play, three point swish.

Amir casually throwing a bouncepass to Grievis which is easily picked off for the easy bucket in transition.

Lowry making that horrible play on the sideline across from the benches, I can't even remember what he was doing; turnover leading to two points.

And give some credit to Brooklyn for shot-making. They hit some tough ones. It was bad quarter by the entire team. One player can't be responsible for a 40 point quarter.

There was so much bad offense that led to easy buckets for the Nets. And as bad as Demar might have been in the 4th, he's just unbelievably clutch from the line.

His team just gave up a 25 point fourth quarter lead, and he calmly steps to the line and knocks down 4 free throws.

Clutch.
You make some valid points as well and nobody is blaming DC or DD for everything but blame lies with them as well. Like you said it's a team game and one player isn't responsible for that demise/f**k up. However, neither does that lie with the solely the 4 others on the court.

This game just further shows the importance of Lowry on the team. When they took him out the demise began. Lowry needed rest but it shows the difference between the team without him and the team with him.
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