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Old 05-01-2014, 01:12 AM   #781 (permalink)
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Dan mad, hulk smash! Casey a dumb-dumb. JV shuda played more than fatty-Hayes. Demar got bum raped by JJ. Demar no fight back. Need more effort. He bad. Hulk smash! JV show good emotion. He give a shit. Hulk happy. Ross show good sign too. Make more happy.








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Just joking around. I don't agree with everything, but there are some valid and good insights in there, as always. +1 for taking the time to share.
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Old 05-01-2014, 01:19 AM   #782 (permalink)
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im worried about the nets going small for game 6, can jv guard blatche or no?

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Old 05-01-2014, 01:36 AM   #783 (permalink)
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I remember some ppl saying when we won a few games sans KL that people who had doubts about the team without KL for a long amount of time that those doubts were disproven with those few games; well I think tonight disproved that mini-analysis of this team operating without KL. KL is the core and heart of this team - best player, best overall player, can go to him in the clutch, doesn't need to score to affect the game but as tonight showed he can really light it up. When GV was alone out there without KL we noticed a significant collapse. + the team got way too f**king trigger happy from 3. Way too complacent with the lead. Lots of lackadaisical play.

Anywho saw the game at Ram in the Rye - great time and saved $300 not going to the game live cuz of my friend selling the tix on stubhub.
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TNT panel about to discuss the raps game on inside the nba
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:28 AM   #786 (permalink)
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Great post Dan. Also the game at the square was live as fuck. Everyone was cheering and going crazy, it was a really fun night
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:46 AM   #790 (permalink)
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OK. So pardon my french here, but that was more stressful than it needed to be due to completely moronic coaching, and the disinterested play of one DeMar DeRozan. If you are a huge fan of DD, it would be best if you didn't read this post. It will likely only irritate you, to no one's benefit. If you're a huge fan of Casey, probably should skip it too. I apologize in advance for the length.

Fuck Dwane Casey. Chuck Hayes? Chuck Hayes??? How does JV not see the floor for 6+ minutes to start the 4th Q? He's 21. He can get back in after a 2 minute rest (plus the quarter break). Especially if you're going to yank him again come the 8 minute mark. How does DD have the ball in his hands down the stretch? Ever? Lowry is an infinitely better option, no matter what the defence is doing.

You know what? Those first 3 quarters, the Raps ran pick and roll down the Nets' throat, almost entirely initiated by their PG's. And it destroyed them, and their traps, and their overall defensive schemes, and killed their offence because it just sucks mentally to get scored on like that. And guess what? It worked great. And it stopped fucking dead in the 4th. Not because of the Nets. Because Casey a) put the ball in DeRozan's hands and b) when he finally started calling more pick and rolls, it was with Chuck Hayes setting the screen every fucking time. How stupid do you have to be to look at an offence that isn't working with Amir and Patterson in there, and say, I know how to fix this - Chuck Hayes. How could you not put Jonas in?

And DeMar. DeMar, DeMar, DeMar. You were the cause of at least 60% of the failed defensive rotations in the 4th Q. Joe Johnson scored as though you weren't even there. Then, when you got switched onto Anderson, you not once, but twice, pulled your usual 'drift down to the paint' defensive move, and forgot that a) you are providing no help in doing so and b) you have a man, his name is Alan Anderson, and he's now alone at the 3 point line. And both times, another teammate of yours figured that out before you did, ran out, and stupidly fouled him to give him a 4 point play. That was stupid of them. But root cause of the defensive issues? You all the way buddy. That's not even mentioning the 3rd Q, where you pretty much singlehandedly served JJ a run of 14 of the Nets' 16 points for a stretch (literally, 14 points on 6/6 shooting in 6 minutes), since the Raps (read: Valanciunas and Lowry, the real stars of this team) kept scoring to keep it a big lead.

And offensively? If I ever again see you WAVE AWAY A FUCKING SCREEN (from Amir Johnson, probably the most effective screen setter in the NBA) to go all iso-ball-DD-is-the-hero with like 10 seconds still on the shot clock and jack a fucking long contested two with the game on the line and under 2 minutes left in the 4th Q, I might just have an aneurysm. Oh, by the way, remember right after your coach called for the team to foul Blatche to force two free throws instead of the tying 3, and all the team had to do was rebound the ball. That's all, rebound the ball, game over. That's the winning play right fucking there. AND YOU DIDN'T BOX OUT. You dragged your lazy ass into the lane, jumping for the rebound with no fucking idea where your man was, and guess what, he fucking beat you to the ball, and the only reason the team didn't get ruined by it is because Blatche might be the single stupidest player in the league and threw the ball away. Because you were lazy, on the most important rebound of the entire fucking season. Lazy like you always are on D. You think Salmons is that much stronger than you that he can contain JJ? He can't contain JJ. That's why he puts effort into fronting, denying, bodying up. I just want to be clear. I HATE John Salmons and the way he plays basketball. And I am currently singing his fucking praises in comparison to the way you play. Hey, you know Kyle Lowry? He of the 7-inches-shorter-than-you stature? He got switched onto JJ a couple times, and he contested his shots better than you did even once all game.

You know what DeMar? I gave it a shot. I bought into the "someone has to take the tough shots" arguments. I watched you do nothing on defence all year, and I bought the reasoning that you were improving, because how could a key member of a top 10 defence not be at least decent at defence? I appreciated the improved passing, the potency of your drive game and ability to draw fouls. And all season, I said, I still think you're the one to go if this team is to get better. But I'll give you a shot. And as the season went on, you played better and better. You still took too many jumpers, but you passed a bit more, you got to the line, and the offence was clicking, so maybe you were serving a purpose. You even showed a little life defensively.

But you know what? I wanted to see you get better. I really did. So maybe I didn't really see what I thought I saw. Because tonight, you showed none of that. You know the 2nd quarter? That stretch of the game where the lead went from 3 points to 20? The best the team has looked all year? You played 9 important minutes in that Q. You played some D. And guess what? You took ZERO shots. Not one, and the offence was better than it's ever been. And the defence was good too. Good for you. Then you stopped fucking playing. And thanks very much for that. I'm not going to be apologetic or half-assed in my stance any more. You made it very clear what has to happen for this team to go anywhere.

You've gotta go, man. I appreciate the hard work you put in in practice to try to develop your offensive game. And kudos for knocking down those free throws. Got the win, good job. But I can't watch you any more. I'll keep cheering for you. I will. You're on the Raptors. That's all it takes for me. But you've gotta know - you've stopped giving me other reasons to cheer. I just have the one now.

Did you see Jonas Valanciunas, in the 2nd Q, after Teletovic missed the first of two free throws? He grabbed the ball, and screamed in triumph because the opponent missed one free throw. That right there. That's called caring. One point. Worth fucking celebrating. Meanwhile, you have no issues giving up 2 (or 3 or 4) because of your lazy defence, or throwing away possessions with your iso ball offence.

Again to all here, I apologize for the language, and the length. That 2nd half, and specifically 4th Q, was the most frustrated I have ever been with a player-coach combo (and I include Bargnani-Triano in that). Just needed to vent. And I am actually really happy that we won (more relieved than happy after that abomination of a 4th Q). I'll be excited as hell come Friday for the Raps to close this bad boy out and go take on the Heat. But I cannot watch what I just watched and come in here and post "good game boys." Because it's just not true. Not for some of the boys.

PS - Great games from JV and Lowry, as usual. Vasquez brought what he needed to bring. Patterson was good, outside of the boneheaded foul and forgetting where Teletovic was a couple times, but GV and Amir managed one each as well, so tough to be too critical. Not enough minutes for Patterson. Not NEARLY enough minutes for JV. The wing minutes rotation was actually decent, except of course for DD playing at all in the 2nd half (seriously, 3 minutes into the 3rd Q I was praying he's get in foul trouble so he couldn't lead the inevitable defensive collapse). Would have liked to see some Fields, but maybe he's still hurt. Ross got going, which is great. Started with the D, got out and ran, and even early when he was missing he was aggressive. Just looked a lot better right out the gate, so it wasn't surprising (though it was very exciting) when he started nailing 3's. Amir seemed lost a lot of the game (though solid offensively) on the defensive end - too much jumping at shooters. Too many minutes for Amir this game - he struggled in his match ups, and was one of two starters (guess the other!) with a huge negative plus-minus.
pretty much agree with everything.
JV has been best player in the beginning of the series, got in the foul troubles in Brooklyn, but he is the best mismatch for Raps. Use your weapon DC. And as I said before, the biggest DC disadvantage as a coach is, that he has a little control on KL and DD. Especially because DD still makes a lot of bad decisions in the game.
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:50 AM   #791 (permalink)
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Chuck Hayes wild shot in the 2nd to tie it at 33 was the eventual winner in my mind. Obviously the collapse was inexcusable but a win is a win and 83% of the times,the Game 5 winner(when series is tied 2-2) wins the best of 7 series in the NBA. Great to see Ross hit a couple of 3's and have a better outing. Good call by Casey and staff to keep him in the starting line up. Lowry bossed up again.

For a young and inexperienced playoff team I commend the Raptors effort to pull out a tough close win when usually they'd find a way to lose or at least allow it to go into OT. DD was good,not great but definitely not bad. Complain about x,y,z all you want but when he posts 23 points on 12 shots(when many bitch that he's inefficient),attempts 13 free throws(1 more than his playoff leading average),accompanied by 6 rebounds,5 assists,3 steals in a game high 39 minutes,I don't think anyone should be questioning his interest in the game...on either end of the court. JJ didn't tally all his baskets when DD was guarding him and give him credit,many were calling JJ a fake all star when in fact he's a 7 time all star. He's not exactly an easy cover for anyone.

Bullshit aside,I'm pumped for a potential Heat/Raps series. Let's go Raptors, wrap this up in BK.

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Old 05-01-2014, 02:54 AM   #792 (permalink)
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Raptors 21 TO combined last 2 games, really happy to see that. Collapse aside, this team absolutely shredded them for mist of the game, and I'm very confident, they will take it in bkn
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Old 05-01-2014, 02:55 AM   #793 (permalink)
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What a game! What a game! WHAT A GAME!!!

I never lost heart, despite Casey almost giving my entire table at Wegz (which was sick, btw) a collective aneurysm. Absolutely and without a doubt the most exciting game I've seen in my time as a Raptors fan.

DON'T STOP BELIEVING!
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Old 05-01-2014, 04:55 AM   #794 (permalink)
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After every game in this series, I started believing that KL is the most important piece in this team.
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:20 AM   #795 (permalink)
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anyone know where I can watch this game? My DVR fucked up
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Old 05-01-2014, 05:56 AM   #796 (permalink)
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OK. So pardon my french here, but that was more stressful than it needed to be due to completely moronic coaching, and the disinterested play of one DeMar DeRozan. If you are a huge fan of DD, it would be best if you didn't read this post. It will likely only irritate you, to no one's benefit. If you're a huge fan of Casey, probably should skip it too. I apologize in advance for the length.

Fuck Dwane Casey. Chuck Hayes? Chuck Hayes??? How does JV not see the floor for 6+ minutes to start the 4th Q? He's 21. He can get back in after a 2 minute rest (plus the quarter break). Especially if you're going to yank him again come the 8 minute mark. How does DD have the ball in his hands down the stretch? Ever? Lowry is an infinitely better option, no matter what the defence is doing.

You know what? Those first 3 quarters, the Raps ran pick and roll down the Nets' throat, almost entirely initiated by their PG's. And it destroyed them, and their traps, and their overall defensive schemes, and killed their offence because it just sucks mentally to get scored on like that. And guess what? It worked great. And it stopped fucking dead in the 4th. Not because of the Nets. Because Casey a) put the ball in DeRozan's hands and b) when he finally started calling more pick and rolls, it was with Chuck Hayes setting the screen every fucking time. How stupid do you have to be to look at an offence that isn't working with Amir and Patterson in there, and say, I know how to fix this - Chuck Hayes. How could you not put Jonas in?

And DeMar. DeMar, DeMar, DeMar. You were the cause of at least 60% of the failed defensive rotations in the 4th Q. Joe Johnson scored as though you weren't even there. Then, when you got switched onto Anderson, you not once, but twice, pulled your usual 'drift down to the paint' defensive move, and forgot that a) you are providing no help in doing so and b) you have a man, his name is Alan Anderson, and he's now alone at the 3 point line. And both times, another teammate of yours figured that out before you did, ran out, and stupidly fouled him to give him a 4 point play. That was stupid of them. But root cause of the defensive issues? You all the way buddy. That's not even mentioning the 3rd Q, where you pretty much singlehandedly served JJ a run of 14 of the Nets' 16 points for a stretch (literally, 14 points on 6/6 shooting in 6 minutes), since the Raps (read: Valanciunas and Lowry, the real stars of this team) kept scoring to keep it a big lead.

And offensively? If I ever again see you WAVE AWAY A FUCKING SCREEN (from Amir Johnson, probably the most effective screen setter in the NBA) to go all iso-ball-DD-is-the-hero with like 10 seconds still on the shot clock and jack a fucking long contested two with the game on the line and under 2 minutes left in the 4th Q, I might just have an aneurysm. Oh, by the way, remember right after your coach called for the team to foul Blatche to force two free throws instead of the tying 3, and all the team had to do was rebound the ball. That's all, rebound the ball, game over. That's the winning play right fucking there. AND YOU DIDN'T BOX OUT. You dragged your lazy ass into the lane, jumping for the rebound with no fucking idea where your man was, and guess what, he fucking beat you to the ball, and the only reason the team didn't get ruined by it is because Blatche might be the single stupidest player in the league and threw the ball away. Because you were lazy, on the most important rebound of the entire fucking season. Lazy like you always are on D. You think Salmons is that much stronger than you that he can contain JJ? He can't contain JJ. That's why he puts effort into fronting, denying, bodying up. I just want to be clear. I HATE John Salmons and the way he plays basketball. And I am currently singing his fucking praises in comparison to the way you play. Hey, you know Kyle Lowry? He of the 7-inches-shorter-than-you stature? He got switched onto JJ a couple times, and he contested his shots better than you did even once all game.

You know what DeMar? I gave it a shot. I bought into the "someone has to take the tough shots" arguments. I watched you do nothing on defence all year, and I bought the reasoning that you were improving, because how could a key member of a top 10 defence not be at least decent at defence? I appreciated the improved passing, the potency of your drive game and ability to draw fouls. And all season, I said, I still think you're the one to go if this team is to get better. But I'll give you a shot. And as the season went on, you played better and better. You still took too many jumpers, but you passed a bit more, you got to the line, and the offence was clicking, so maybe you were serving a purpose. You even showed a little life defensively.

But you know what? I wanted to see you get better. I really did. So maybe I didn't really see what I thought I saw. Because tonight, you showed none of that. You know the 2nd quarter? That stretch of the game where the lead went from 3 points to 20? The best the team has looked all year? You played 9 important minutes in that Q. You played some D. And guess what? You took ZERO shots. Not one, and the offence was better than it's ever been. And the defence was good too. Good for you. Then you stopped fucking playing. And thanks very much for that. I'm not going to be apologetic or half-assed in my stance any more. You made it very clear what has to happen for this team to go anywhere.

You've gotta go, man. I appreciate the hard work you put in in practice to try to develop your offensive game. And kudos for knocking down those free throws. Got the win, good job. But I can't watch you any more. I'll keep cheering for you. I will. You're on the Raptors. That's all it takes for me. But you've gotta know - you've stopped giving me other reasons to cheer. I just have the one now.

Did you see Jonas Valanciunas, in the 2nd Q, after Teletovic missed the first of two free throws? He grabbed the ball, and screamed in triumph because the opponent missed one free throw. That right there. That's called caring. One point. Worth fucking celebrating. Meanwhile, you have no issues giving up 2 (or 3 or 4) because of your lazy defence, or throwing away possessions with your iso ball offence.

Again to all here, I apologize for the language, and the length. That 2nd half, and specifically 4th Q, was the most frustrated I have ever been with a player-coach combo (and I include Bargnani-Triano in that). Just needed to vent. And I am actually really happy that we won (more relieved than happy after that abomination of a 4th Q). I'll be excited as hell come Friday for the Raps to close this bad boy out and go take on the Heat. But I cannot watch what I just watched and come in here and post "good game boys." Because it's just not true. Not for some of the boys.

PS - Great games from JV and Lowry, as usual. Vasquez brought what he needed to bring. Patterson was good, outside of the boneheaded foul and forgetting where Teletovic was a couple times, but GV and Amir managed one each as well, so tough to be too critical. Not enough minutes for Patterson. Not NEARLY enough minutes for JV. The wing minutes rotation was actually decent, except of course for DD playing at all in the 2nd half (seriously, 3 minutes into the 3rd Q I was praying he's get in foul trouble so he couldn't lead the inevitable defensive collapse). Would have liked to see some Fields, but maybe he's still hurt. Ross got going, which is great. Started with the D, got out and ran, and even early when he was missing he was aggressive. Just looked a lot better right out the gate, so it wasn't surprising (though it was very exciting) when he started nailing 3's. Amir seemed lost a lot of the game (though solid offensively) on the defensive end - too much jumping at shooters. Too many minutes for Amir this game - he struggled in his match ups, and was one of two starters (guess the other!) with a huge negative plus-minus.
More than fair assessment ... what happened in the 3rd with JJ taking off and 4th defensive lapses is inexcusable ...

This has been a pattern thru the season ... not a new one.

Can we learn from this?

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Old 05-01-2014, 06:21 AM   #798 (permalink)
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DanH assessment pretty much sums up this game. I had to stop watching last night because I was that pissed off with their performance in the 4th Q. While I'm happy they won, they better not put themselves in that situation again because I don't think I can take it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:34 AM   #799 (permalink)
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:53 AM   #800 (permalink)
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Refs were fine actually. To be honest for a team thats young and fresh in the play offs I gotta give it to them for surviving this mess.

We just need to work on actual plays in the end instead of making desperation shots, even if they go in. Other than that I give Raptors respect for fighting it through.
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