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Old 07-10-2008, 09:38 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Basically what's occurring right now is the fall out from a trade that seems pretty unpopular amongst the reporting ring in Toronto. Andwhensomething is not popular amongst the reporters in the city, they all attack it and point out obvious flaws.

But I always bring up the Jays seeing how they were the last Toronto team to actually have won anything in the past 20 years. But I remember reading that when the Jays made their big trade for Robbie Alomar et al how many media member HATED that trade? Yet in hindsight many view that trade as the building blocks to winning a championship.

On the other hand, you have the media in this city basically saying what the Leafs should and should not do. Go after Owen Nolan, go after Dimitri Kristich, fire Paul Maurice, fire this guy, sign this guy. And what happens? They end up bowing to public pressure; then they fail and are blamed for not winning.

Here we have a GM who basically said a big fuck you to what the media and public thinks we should get, i.e. maggette, wallace, etc. Yet, he decides to make the move that he feels is the BEST move for his team. We all wanted a guy who could stand up to Peddie and MLSE and have the balls to make bold moves. Maybe what we should have said is we want a guy who can stand up to the board and do what WE want him to do and then we'll be happy. Hell, I remember when Grunwald was told by the city of toronto to resign, alvin williams, jerome williams and antonio davis and trade Charles Oakley because he cost us the win against Philly. And it occurred, not 1.5 years later, Grunwald was killed by the media for making these moves and wad advocated to be fired in the same media that old he to make these "good" moves. Brilliant.

I'm just sick of some of the criticisms I'm finding because they're not constructive. The one thing I'm seeing out of the past 3 Toronto teams is that every off season we're not "staying pat" but making moves; we're establishing a winning culture. Last season we could've let Smitch walk, but instead we chose continuity at that position, something we have NEVER had (see our revolving door). To me this is far more important, because if you look at players, they don't really care where they play, they care where they can win and not have to fight for the playoffs. And right now, we're on the cusp of being a potential lock for the playoffs year in, year out.

But I forgot, we're too short sighted to see this. We're out in the 2nd round. Hmmm....interesting, that would match our best season ever too....so what a failure.
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Old 07-10-2008, 11:44 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Amen man. Nice post.

I love BC just because of his independence and how he doesn't give a fuck to the media. Good on him for making this trade and not listening to the media. Just a lesson to be learned to all fellow GM's: you listen to the media, you will be unsuccessful......just ask the Leafs how.
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:00 AM   #43 (permalink)
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They should have threw the full MLE at Corey Maggette. Maybe he would have bitten to play along side Bosh and O'Neal?
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:51 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Long post.

Nice post.

However, you can say what you want about toronto teams trying to improve, and we can all pat the MLSE on the shoulder for thier fine efforts Claudius, however, the performance has been, to date, poor.

The media generally attacks the upper management, moreso then they do the players or the coaches, and with good reason. The MLSE has been bargain basement up until the BC signing with it's management hirings, and the results are on the stat sheet. Poor management, poor scouting, poor developement. It's not hard to see.

We may not wanna hear bad things from Toronto media, however, for the most part, they aren't far off.
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Old 07-11-2008, 09:08 AM   #45 (permalink)
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Again - I have no problem with criticisms. The pettiness is simply idiotic. And it is way off-base. Way off.
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Old 07-11-2008, 11:51 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Is it?

Really?

Explain.

Use facts, and not opinion.

Ok?
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Old 07-11-2008, 12:29 PM   #47 (permalink)
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Oh SJ, I'm not saying by any stretch of the means that MLSE has done a great job because in reality we all know they haven't. And by no means was my post done as a defence of that organization.

Rather, my post was that we can't simply blame one side all the time. At some point, the media and the fans are also to blame because that organization has made a ton of money by catering to the general public. Not neccessarily a good thing and not neccessarily a bad thing depending on the perspective.

I agree though, that MLSE during the period let's say dating 2003-2006 was always searching for bargain basement replacements of coaches, GMs, players when it came to their basketball operations. The feeling I believe though was that the general population really didn't care about basketball therefore they treated it as a non entity. However, once their corporate image amongst NBA circles began to be seen on par with Donald Sterling, the Atlanta Hawk group and others, it was at that point where movements were made to hire Bryan Colangelo and establish the Raptor trademark as one of great prestige. And now, MLSE is essentially raking in the money because they realize what a gold mine they are really sitting on.

But I agree, that the top organization DOES deserve it's criticism because the media/public have history on their side. What I don't agree with is when that criticism is directed at the GM/players/Coaches for not doing the popular move amongst the media circle or the message board ciricle; essentially not doing what they are TOLD to do by poeple who aren't qualified to really have a say; and it essentially picks up a life of its own (see my earlier post for example.

Now this isn't a defence of BC by any stretch of the imagination. Instead, it's me saying I have enough of the media and some people on our board saying that we're not close. I would say we're closer than we were 2 years ago and at LEAST we're doing something to establish a culture of winning. But then again, that's just me.
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Old 07-11-2008, 03:57 PM   #48 (permalink)
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Is it?

Really?

Explain.

Use facts, and not opinion.

Ok?
Explain what? That pointing out that a new player can't quite get a handle on another player's name is in no way illuminating? That calling a guy names like Jer-moan or Me-J is little more than childish and unfair? That giving full accounts of how the coach and GM dress in order to take shots at them resembles something I've seen done by the shallowest of high-school girls?

I don't need objectivity, because I know that it doesn't exist. But something of value would be nice, and the pettiness I've offered, and offered factually I might add, kills anything of value he might be able to squeeze into his shit pieces once he gets done with the cute garbage.

Now show me where the intelligence and the agenda is. Use facts puhleaze.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:05 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Sorry bro.

They ain't selling Intelligence, they are selling advertizing
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Which is exactly why I'm more bothered by fans that lap up the petty garbage like candy. I get that Feschuk is just doing his job. Hell - he makes his own material with some of the shit he stirs up. That has to make his job that much easier.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:21 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Well sure Feschuk is doing his job. But he's not doing a very good job at it. Because clearly his blog makes no sense whatsoever because he states the obvious. Why would he waste people's time reading obvious shit like "There is a chance we are in the month of July, or the Earth will probably rotate today." Just useless.

No one expected us to be championship teams just because of getting JO. I don't understand where he gets the impression that every Raps fan his getting championship-high ever since the trade.
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Old 07-11-2008, 04:24 PM   #52 (permalink)
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Is he wrong?

Or is Colangelo perfect?

Has every move he's made been perfect?

Were the moves made by Babcock, and Emery completely without effect upon what Colangelo was inadvertly allowed to do when he came on board?

I mean really LX, if you sift passed the name calling and the shiny owrds used to spice it up. All he's doing is calling a spade a spade.

Thats all I'm saying.
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Old 07-11-2008, 08:57 PM   #53 (permalink)
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Just because Babcock made some good moves and Bryan made some bad ones, that doesn't make them equals, and you know that. Not sure why you keep defending Feschuk when he's so obviously off base.

And the mistakes that Bryan made were educated risks that backfired, the mistakes that Babcock made were just dumb. There's a big difference there.
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As long as the Raps win a championship I will forget all the bad seasons they had and everything bad they did from draftpicks(ex. Hoffa), to trades(ex. VC trade)
You haven't forgot that yet? Babcock left about two playoff series' ago.
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