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Old 09-11-2011, 10:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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So, hypothetically, let's say the Raptors take the year off, what do you think this city's response will be to the Raptors and the NBA? Considering we're coming off a rough, rough year where some hope has waned. Next, if this league walks away for a year, would there be excitement? Indifference?
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:32 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I think that as long as the team gets another high pick, spends their capspace wisely and with Valancuanas coming next year things will be fine. The fact is there is a pretty sizeable fanbase in the GTA with all the different cultures and the interest in basketball in this city is pretty high. But really, if the fans are excited with the roster and our young players they'll be there imo. I'm actually somewhat optomistic that there will be a half season at least.
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Old 09-11-2011, 10:45 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Plus you have to consider if the next year is cancelled, another year is passed in terms of contracts. I think Calderon will become an expiring contract, which can help with his trade stock. I forget if Kleiza's contract was a 3 year or 4 year, but if it is 3 he also becomes an expiring. Then you have $7M from Barbosa coming off the books. I think whoever is GM can swing some good deals.
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Old 09-12-2011, 12:21 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Indifference, for the most part....
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Old 09-12-2011, 12:31 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think a year off might work out better for the new coach and the overall interest. There needs to be some new personnel to give either a chance to bloom. That's not to say there wouldn't be continued interest in the way individual players develop, but over a long schedule that can start to feel dry and frustrating, like chafing in parts that are otherwise enjoyable enough.
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Old 09-12-2011, 09:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I've got to agree with the feeling of indifference. We're always talking about how most media outlets don't give the Raptors and the NBA enough coverage as it is. Imagine when there's no actual games to talk about? Things will get very very quiet in the major Canadian media outlets when it comes to this team.

By all accounts it looks like the year off will help Toronto moving forward. Adding another decent draft pick in what should be a good draft will go a long way. And then what will hopefully be a team operating framework which will be better suited for teams like ours should help change our fortunes.

I hope the season gets cancelled.
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Old 09-12-2011, 10:57 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Toronto will lose more interest with this lockout. It's not going to be good for the Raptors. Coming back, they really need to just win games. Winning in Toronto brings out fans.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Toronto will lose more interest with this lockout. It's not going to be good for the Raptors. Coming back, they really need to just win games. Winning in Toronto brings out fans.
True as far as the winning part, but i disagree with losing interest. There's a strong basketball fanbase in this city and i think the attendance will be in the same range as last season (average of nearly 17,000). And if they start winning as you say, the attendance will improve.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:34 AM   #10 (permalink)
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picking JV was probably the best thing this team could have done.
He wasnt going to play this season anyway, and we'd probably have ended up with an even worse record than 2010-11, so the fact that we miss a year (that we would have gotten smoked), get JV on the roster and another high draft pick, there should be more excitement when they start playing again.
we've got more to look forward to then most teams.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:49 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Winning in Toronto brings out fans.
As opposed to all those other cities that just love losers?

Seriously, though - nothing's going to happen. Hard-core fans will wait for a year and come back while fair-weather ones are pretty much gone by now.
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Old 09-12-2011, 11:56 AM   #12 (permalink)
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As opposed to all those other cities that just love losers?

Seriously, though - nothing's going to happen. Hard-core fans will wait for a year and come back while fair-weather ones are pretty much gone by now.

Pretty much. And if they come back and play better ball with the new coach, Val, 2012 pick, Derozan, Davis FA signing(s), those fairweather fans will be back as well. This fanbase has been quite loyal through a lot of crap (1 of only 10 teams last season to gross 1M per game at the gate in the NBA), i don't think that will just disapear because of a lockout. Time will tell but like i said, i think there will be a half season anyway.
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I've got to agree with the feeling of indifference. We're always talking about how most media outlets don't give the Raptors and the NBA enough coverage as it is. Imagine when there's no actual games to talk about? Things will get very very quiet in the major Canadian media outlets when it comes to this team.

By all accounts it looks like the year off will help Toronto moving forward. Adding another decent draft pick in what should be a good draft will go a long way. And then what will hopefully be a team operating framework which will be better suited for teams like ours should help change our fortunes.

I hope the season gets cancelled.
if we want media outlets and people to pay attention to the team, why would we want the season to be cancelled? i can't see any advantage in that. personally, i can'tw ait to see raps ball again.
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if we want media outlets and people to pay attention to the team, why would we want the season to be cancelled? i can't see any advantage in that. personally, i can'tw ait to see raps ball again.
fair point. I was thinking along the lines that the cancellation would in theory help the Raptors specifically as a team in terms of future draft, team operations, and shedding crappy salary as js12 alluded to. short term pain (loss of season) for long term gain.
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But srsly, I think that the "average" Raptors fan is in for the long-haul. Most fans of basketball (or NBA or Raptors) are fans DESPITE the ridiculous over-coverage of hockey. It's almost like we've done it to spite the "establishment". These types of fans will not be affected.

Where there will be a difference, is where the bandwagon fans are concerned. I feel like there's enough of a strong base to get us through, but one the team starts winning, the rest of the fans will be back.

This is all dependent on how long the lockout lasts though, the NBA had a TON of momentum after this year's past playoffs, but some people never forgive a league for going on hiatus. I know some people that still won't watch baseball since they had their strike in what? 95? 96?
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If you ask me a good part of the season ticket base gets wiped out. I had already heard enough people complain last year that they might be out of this team can't get it together... and they didn't. It will be a mix between "baseball who gives a fuck don't want to ever go back" and "woooohooooo hockey".

But it won't be crippling. The city is too big with too much money.
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