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About 6 weeks ago it seemed like one thing that was constantly brought up -players were going to fall through the cracks and could be had at a reduced rate. D. Smith said it quite a few times (he heard it from some in the org.), and BC brought it up as well after draft night at his presser. So it appears that this might be what they're waiting for....the dust is starting to settle and there are very few teams out there willing to pay more then the BAE or the minimum. So who's available @ SF/PF that could be had for either the vet minimum or league minimum (1Mil).

Or is BC exploring possible trades for players such as Douby, Ukic or dare i say it...Banks? Very quiet in Raptor land, patience seems to be the way they're going for now. So who is still available that can be had at a bargain rate and will they want to come here?
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how is this any different than the 'diamonds in the rough' thread?

Your wish list for a roster spot on the Raps...diamonds in the rough!
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Once again, here are the NBA's remaining free agents:

David Lee: If the Nets weren't having financial issues while trying to move the team to Brooklyn, Lee would know his long-term future by now. Lee's post scoring (16 ppg) and rebounding (11.7 rpg) would be a great fit and the Nets would surely pay to put him next to Brook Lopez, thus forcing the Knicks to match or step out of the way.

Of course, many NBA teams are rumored to be operating at a financial loss and those that did have the cash (namely Portland) wouldn't go as high as the $10 million per season Lee's agent Mark Bartelstein was hoping for.

The latest rumors have Lee settling on a one-year deal with the Knicks for far less money and hoping to for a better outcome next summer

The only other option is a sign-and-trade and as Steve Kyler discussed yesterday, that may not happen.

Raymond Felton: These negotiations have brought into question the definition of "stalemate."

Bobcats G.M. Rod Higgins said the negotiations had reached that point only to have Felton's Agent, Kevin Bradbury, point out that a chess game ends at a stalemate and that he and Felton had not given up hope.

Had Portland offered the three-year $21 million contract it gave Miller to Felton, Charlotte surely would have matched the offer—a major reason Felton was less attractive to some teams.

It's not that teams aren't interested in having a solid, young point guard like Felton. He's just stuck in the vicious "restricted free agent" cycle where a new team won't want to pay through the nose to acquire him.

Since nobody can blow Felton away with a deal and Charlotte is clearly playing hardball, expect this one to get worse before it gets better.

A sign-and-trade would be the best-case scenario, but takers may be hard to find.

Besides, how many teams in the NBA are looking for a point guard at the moment—especially after 10 were picked in the first round?

Ramon Sessions: One team that does need a point guard is the New York Knicks, and magically, there is little chance Milwaukee would match an offer for this restricted free agent.

Sessions is only 23, has a history with Knicks assistant Dan D'Antoni, and produces around six assists per game.

So, what gives?

Some have suggested that the real reason a deal hasn't been completed us due to the team's fiscal approach to the 2010 free agency period, but Alan Hahn of Newsday makes a better suggestion.

With LeBron James, Dwyane Wade, and Chris Bosh all likely to re-sign, the Knicks may have their eyes set on either New Orleans' Chris Paul or Utah's Deron Williams in the summer of 2012 when both can opt-out of their current deals.

Of course, like the class of 2010, Williams and Paul will have the opportunity to use the Larry Bird clause to pocket a much larger salary by staying put.

Contrarily, there is another CBA to be negotiated before then, so it's anybody's guess what the Knicks are betting on.

One thing they shouldn't bet on is next year's draft. While there are some decent prospects, Kentucky's John Wall is the only elite point guard.

Expect the Knicks and Sessions to get a deal done shortly.

Allen Iverson: If no team comes to Iverson's rescue in the offseason, he might be smart to wait things out a bit longer.

Washington's Gilbert Arenas could hit a hurdle in his comeback from knee surgery; Miami might revisit their interest in Iverson now that they missed out on Lamar Odom; a team in a playoff hunt might be lacking penetrating scorer; or someone could just sign him to sell tickets. There are plenty of scenarios that would help A.I. sign during the season.

Most likely, Iverson's suitor is has not yet been listed (the Clippers, Grizzlies, Knicks and HEAT have all been mentioned as having interest in him). Perhaps New Orleans or Houston are more reasonable desitinations?

And if that doesn't work, he could always take Olympiacos' $10 million-offer and retire to the Mediterranean.

However it ends, the NBA owes Iverson for keeping the league relevant in the post-Jordan era. Hopefully his career won't be judged by the last 10 months.

Nate Robinson: Does Robinson energize the crowd? Yes.

Can he score in multiple ways? Absolutely.

Did Robinson receive a technical foul while on the bench for celebrating a David Lee-dunk?

Now you see why D'Antoni could end up looking like Curly Howard if has to coach Robinson any longer.

Some teams (supposedly the Lakers are among them) like Robinson, but his antics don't fit well on a losing one. Robinson is a fun player, and on winner he would be very popular.

However, that just isn't likely at this point. In late July, The New York Times was reporting that the team was close to a one-year, $6 million deal with Robinson. Since then, there hasn't been much movement. If the Knicks sign Sessions, some other suitor could come along and nab Robinson without the Knicks trying to match.

And as always in restricted free agency, a sign-and-trade is an option here.

Ben Wallace: There remain rumors about the Pistons showing interest in him to replace the departed Antonio McDyess but there could be some residue of a rift between Wallace and G.M. Joe Dumars.

As I previously mentioned, he could sign mid-way through the year with a contender to give his body a break from the rigors of the regular season.

Glen Davis: For all of the teams rumored to be interested in Davis, nobody has pulled the trigger on a deal because the Celtics are likely to match any offer.

Don't be fooled by the presence of Shelden Williams on this team. Boston likes Davis enough to match any reasonable offer. For someone to get Davis they will have to go above $4 million a season and for a vertically challenged power forward with little jumping ability, that doesn't seem likely.

Even if it's only for a year, Davis should be in green next season.

Ronald Murray: Atlanta's deals with Williams and Mike Bibby and the addition of Jamal Crawford put a damper on Ronald Murray's parade, but there are still suitors out there.

Murray was a bargain last season as he scored over 12 ppg. This year's market is obviously different, so it's hard to rule out a deal in the near future. Miami would be smart to add versatile backcourt depth like Murray, as would Charlotte. The sleeper here might be Sacramento who could sign him in hopes of trading him before the deadline.

Stephon Marbury: Marbury's Youtube.com antics are not helping his contract situation. It's hard to see a team taking the plunge at this point.

Joe Smith: We all know what you get here. Wherever he signs, he will eventually end up playing for a contender. The Hawks made a lot of since, but no progress has been made on that front in some time.

Wally Szczerbiak: Szczerbiak has turned down offers from Spain (little known fact: he was born in Madrid), he's seen sign-and-trades fall through and now the writing is on the wall with Jamario Moon joining the Cavaliers.

If he wants to sign for the veterans' minimum, there would be a few contenders interested. Boston needs depth at SF, Atlanta's roster is paltry, Denver could use a shooter to backup Carmelo Anthony and a few other teams may also have interest.

It's just a matter of Szczerbiak taking less than the mid-level deals he's used to.

Linas Kleiza: Every team in Europe is salivating at the chance of landing Kleiza and he doesn't stand to make anywhere near that kind of money in the NBA. Olympiacos is interested (who aren't they interested in?) and Kleiza will probably have to be satisfied with their offer or something similar.

Goodbye Linas, we hardly knew you.

C.J. Watson: Here is a guy who is actually generating some buzz. Watson has been sniffed out by the Knicks (unlikely), the 76ers (whose one-year deal he rejected) and the Magic.

Otis Smith may not be done dealing in Orlando, so don't be surprised to see a sign-and-trade with the Warriors.

Von Wafer: Wafer picked a bad time to have a career year. In other offseasons he may have gotten more attention.

Still, Houston might need his touch to replace Tracy McGrady for a good part of next year, so he is a good candidate to stick around.

There are some rumblings that the Knicks are interested as well.

Jamaal Tinsley
: Pat Riley said nothing is imminent between the HEAT and Tinsley and that could very well be true. The team would like to add a backup behind Mario Chalmers, but Tinsley's conditioning may keep him from being that man.

Rodney Carney: David Kahn wants him back in Minnesota, so why not? Carney offers solid defense and an improving outside shot—something along the lines of James Posey.

He would contribute on a winner, but probably won't get that chance.

Gerald Green: Dallas has it's hands tied with next year and probably won't bring back Green who still needs more seasoning.

The former dunk champion did once average double-figures in Boston and probably just needs a chance to show what he can do. Toronto, Oklahoma City and Memphis shouldn't be too proud to take a look. He will come cheap and his offense is improving, Green is only 23 and can play two positions at 6-8.

His defense is his biggest liability.

Bruce Bowen: After being cut by Milwaukee, Bowen is now more like a 10-15 mpg player rather than the defensive stopper he once was. Boston and Cleveland are said to be interested, but there seems to be a greater opportunity with the Celtics.

Bowen, a Celtic under Rick Pitino, could offer Paul Pierce some valuable rest whereas the Cavs have Moon to replace LeBron James.

Jason Williams: After working out with the Knicks, some are wondering if his presence at the team's facilities in West Chester was more about leveraging the deal with Sessions.

However, Williams turned himself into a solid, unspectacular point guard in Miami and since un-retiring he may have rekindled his love of the game. Teams are interested, but they might want to see him play for someone like the Knicks before they make a move to acquire the veteran point guard.

The Knicks have exclusive negotiating rights, but could lose those if they don't make an offer by today.

Jerry Stackhouse: And if the Knicks don't make an offer to Williams, it may be because they were too busy looking at Stackhouse.

Stackhouse is going to be paid this season by the Grizzlies, so any contender looking for a veteran scorer can give him a call. Again, the Celtics could be considered here, but this might be a place where Cleveland, the Clippers, or even the Utah Jazz could get involved.

Donyell Marshall
: The 76ers are going to balk at this 15-year vet. Marshall cannot be counted upon to make any major contributions at this point in his career, but he can pull a power forward away from the basket on the offensive end of the court. If a contract can't be signed relatively soon, retirement might be the best option after a long, successful career.

Leon Powe: During a summer where healthy power forwards struggled to land anything close to their asking price, Powe doesn't have many options. His knee injury won't be healed by the beginning of the season, but he does have more ability than anyone is giving him credit for. The Nets would be wise to ink this bargain now and enjoy his toughness during the season's second half.

The Rest:

The remaining restricted free agents include Aaron Gray, James Singleton, Steve Novak, and Juan Carlos Navarro.

Meanwhile, the remaining unrestricted free agents include Mikki Moore, Juwan Howard, Sean Singletary, Lorenzen Wright, Anthony Carter, Jason Hart, Johan Petro, Rob Kurz, Maceo Baston, Stephen Graham, Fred Jones, Brian Skinner, Luther Head, Keith Bogans, Damon Jones, Jason Collins, Maurice Ager, Ryan Bowen, Melvin Ely, Sean Marks, Desmond Mason, Malik Rose, Robert Swift, Adonal Foyle, Tyronn Lue, Jeremy Richardson, Stromile Swift, Shavlik Randolph, Michael Ruffin, Calvin Booth, Bobby Jackson, Rashad McCants, Cedric Simmons, Ime Udoka, Jacque Vaughn, Joey Graham, Jake Voskuhl, Morris Almond, Jarron Collins, Brevin Knight, Juan Dixon, Carlos Delfino, Pops Mensah-Bonsu, Gabe Pruitt, Linton Johnson, DeMarcus Nelson, Sun Yue, Mike Taylor, Tarence Kinsey, and Jermareo Davidson
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Firstly, no one is going to trade for Douby, Ukic or Banks. They're end of the rotation players and have little to no value.

Also, if anything this list shows that, despite what some here earlier believed, economics has hit the NBA pretty hard as there is enough decent players left that in prior years would've been scooped up. Saving 1-2 million dollars is a big, big thing.
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Please bring in Sun Yue
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Eh, why not? If we couldn't snag Joey, Pops or even someone else on the cheap, Sun Yue could be an interesting project. 6'7" G/F with point guard abilities, was seen to have a lot of potential when he was drafted, got stuck behind a talented group of wing players in LA. He'll be playing 4/10 games, max. If he doesn't pan out, he doesn't pan out. Not a lot to lose really. Besides, he's a fallback option at best.
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You just want an asian player right
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Eh, why not? If we couldn't snag Joey, Pops or even someone else on the cheap, Sun Yue could be an interesting project. 6'7" G/F with point guard abilities, was seen to have a lot of potential when he was drafted, got stuck behind a talented group of wing players in LA. He'll be playing 4/10 games, max. If he doesn't pan out, he doesn't pan out. Not a lot to lose really. Besides, he's a fallback option at best.
Alot of guys in this league have talent, the NBA is all about intelligence and the triangle offence emphasizes intelligent basketball play and something I want on this team. It's why Luke Walton fits that style of play easily. Now, I'm not doubting he's good or has talent, but does he have the brains. Guys like Chris Porter and DaJuan Wagner had boatloads of talent but weren't smart enough.

I'd rather bring in a kid with potential who has a great feel for the game. Sadly, the Spurs pick up those players before anyone else does.
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gerald green or rob kurz. those are the only two guys i can see us getting and i want in a raps uniform.
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Sun Yue is 6'9"!
that is r-word tall for a point guard. oyu guys sure he has pg abilities?
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Why would we want Sun Yue????

In 10 games for a total of 28 minutes he has 10 fouls 3 turn overs 2 assists and 6 points on 3 for 11 shooting.

You figure with his height advantage at guard he'd at least block shots but he only has 1 block.

Sheesh, the guys turning 24 and done nothing...
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Ruffin or Bowen could work.
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Bowen.
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I meant Ryan Bowen , not Bruce.

Bogans would actually be a bit of a bargain.

It's got to be a guy that can defend.
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I meant Ryan Bowen , not Bruce.

Bogans would actually be a bit of a bargain.

It's got to be a guy that can defend.
Well then pick Bogans.
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