Expiring Evans/Banks contracts...
Old 08-07-2010, 12:29 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Correct me if im wrong...

But wouldnt it be great to hang on to Banks and Evans until the trade deadline? Instead of rushing to make a trade at this point, almost Mid August..

Marcus Banks is a expiring 4.7 million
Reggie Evans is a expiring 5.0 million

Plus we have a unused 15 million TPE at this point....

Can a "big fish" be caught from a team that is having a bad season looking to start a rebuild at the trade deadline?

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Old 08-07-2010, 12:34 PM   #2 (permalink)
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BC's new favourite word flexibility means letting the tpe and expiring contracts expire
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Old 08-07-2010, 12:35 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think the main problem is that BC' job is on the line. He has to do well this season so hes going to want to start the season with a decent roster.
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BC's new favourite word flexibility means letting the tpe and expiring contracts expire
You seriously believe BC will do absolutely nothing with that TPE? You're delusional if you think that.Maybe holding onto the expirings or at least one of them, but the TPE will be used (most or all of).
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Old 08-07-2010, 12:58 PM   #5 (permalink)
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BC's new favourite word flexibility means letting the tpe and expiring contracts expire


Do you want BC to take on an unnecessary bad contract for the TPE or expiring?

The OP asked (why not wait until the trade deadline) and your response is BC is not going to use it then because he hasn't been trying to use it now?

The Diaw/Chandler deal for Jose shows what kind of deals are on the horizon.

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Old 08-07-2010, 01:09 PM   #6 (permalink)
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You seriously believe BC will do absolutely nothing with that TPE? You're delusional if you think that.Maybe holding onto the expirings or at least one of them, but the TPE will be used (most or all of).
jeff, lets pretend you know something about basketball and the salary cap. adding a player with the tpe and/or salary cap eliminates the whole flexibility that BC is talking about. TPE have been around for a while now. they're not made of gold. they're made of returning salary dumps from rebuilding teams.

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Do you want BC to take on an unnecessary bad contract for the TPE or expiring?

The OP asked (why not wait until the trade deadline) and your response is BC is not going to use it then because he hasn't been trying to use it now?

The Diaw/Chandler deal for Jose shows what kind of deals are on the horizon.
this is exactly why i believe it'll expire.

i'll be really shocked if diaw/chandler deals are in the horizon. really, who's available and who is gonna take jose's contract?
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jeff, lets pretend you know something about basketball and the salary cap. adding a player with the tpe and/or salary cap eliminates the whole flexibility that BC is talking about. TPE have been around for a while now. they're not made of gold. they're made of returning salary dumps from rebuilding teams.



this is exactly why i believe it'll expire.
No need to be a condesending prick. You think BC will sit on a 15Mil TPE and I don't think he will, especially since he's in his final contract year and he still refuses to call this a rebuild. Because we disagree doesn't mean I know nothing about the salary cap. Let's just see what he does or doesn't do with the TPE and see who's right. Seeing his personality these last 4yrs, leads me to believe he won't do nothing with it.
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i hate that every thread i go in has your opinion in it. i don't respect it.
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i hate that every thread i go in has your opinion in it. i don't respect it.
Ignore it then, or STFU!
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No need to be a condesending prick. You think BC will sit on a 15Mil TPE and I don't think he will, especially since he's in his final contract year and he still refuses to call this a rebuild. Because we disagree doesn't mean I know nothing about the salary cap. Let's just see what he does or doesn't do with the TPE and see who's right. Seeing his personality these last 4yrs, leads me to believe he won't do nothing with it.
BC wants to shed salary to become more flexible in a couple of seasons.. it would make no sense to use tpe now when there is a bad market out there, who exactly is there to sign? No one.:facepalm:

We signed ANDERSEN with the tpe, what does that tell you exactly.
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Actually, as I understand it letting the TPE expire doesn't add any cap flexibility per se. It is true that if used on a player with a long-term contract then it could affect that flexibility in the future.

How it could be used is to acquire a big expiring contract that would add a lot of cap flexibility next year. That was how the Chandler deal would have worked. His expiring contract would have given the Raptors a lot more flexibility than just letting the TPE expire. So, one way the Raptors could use the TPE is to fit in a large expiring contract. One way that this could be used would be to facilitate a trade for another team that is over the cap and needs to shed salary. For example, if the Knicks had a deal for Chris Paul but couldn't make the trade because of cap rules, they would need someone to take a player's salary to facilitate it (like Eddy Curry's expiring deal). In that case, the Raptors could take Curry's expiring contract to give the Knicks the cap space, and demand additional talent and/or picks in the deal to make it happen.

So I think that Colangelo will either:

1) Use the TPE to trade for a big expiring contract (he would have to add some pieces unless a team is desperate to save money this year), and then have more cap room next year and beyond.

2) Use the TPE to facilitate another trade and get some assets for doing so.

3) Use the TPE to take a bigger contract that allowed him to add a significant young piece along with it (the usual Collison/Okafor concept). This option would reduce future flexibility so he would need to get a bona fide future young building block to make it worthwhile.
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BC wants to shed salary to become more flexible in a couple of seasons.. it would make no sense to use tpe now when there is a bad market out there, who exactly is there to sign? No one.:facepalm:

We signed ANDERSEN with the tpe, what does that tell you exactly.
Right but a year is a long time. Good players could come up.
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BC wants to shed salary to become more flexible in a couple of seasons.. it would make no sense to use tpe now when there is a bad market out there, who exactly is there to sign? No one.:facepalm:

We signed ANDERSEN with the tpe, what does that tell you exactly.
Sign? He would be looking to make a trade not a straight signing. Basically he said he wants flexibility next AND the the fllowing season which means he could trade for a large expiring or 2yr contract that gives him large capspace next summer or the following summer. He could also trade that large expiring next summer if it does have two years on it.
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i hate that every thread i go in has your opinion in it. i don't respect it.
Haha I remember having constand clashes with jeffb in my first month on RF Later it kinda cooled down

BC won't make a move to make a move. He'll be looking at something big or nothing at all. We have a large and interesting roster, small tweaks won't help anything.

Getting Andersen was another step towards flexibility. Expiring 2.5M contract is more useful in moves than 2.7 tpe
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Old 08-07-2010, 03:27 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Something tells me a hard-cap is coming into place, everything just points in that direction. My question is, what happens to the teams with massive amounts of salary (way over tax threshold) when/if it is implemented? Are they forced to dismantle their teams?
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jeff, lets pretend you know something about basketball and the salary cap. adding a player with the tpe and/or salary cap eliminates the whole flexibility that BC is talking about. TPE have been around for a while now. they're not made of gold. they're made of returning salary dumps from rebuilding teams.



this is exactly why i believe it'll expire.

i'll be really shocked if diaw/chandler deals are in the horizon. really, who's available and who is gonna take jose's contract?
anyone that doesn't agree with is obviously a dumbass...

and good to know calling some a dumbass isnt an "insult"...
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:17 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Lots of trades can be made and some can improve the team and while most of you want Jose gone I could care less whether it is him or Jack and Jack does have much more value.

But these are 3 rational trades that could be made........

Davis 2011 Toronto 1st unprotected & TPE for Gasol

Jack Beli and TPE for Prince

Toronto Trades Jack & Beli to Indiana
Gets Gortat

Indiana Trades Murphy
Gets Jack Beli & Bass

Orlando Trades Gortat & Bass
Gets Murphy

To get a quality C or PF I would gladly trade people like Davis or Jack.

Evans and Banks could be more valuable near deadline or if a big move is made do a Evans and Banks to NY pick up Curry and get NY to pay Curry's salary.
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Lots of trades can be made and some can improve the team and while most of you want Jose gone I could care less whether it is him or Jack and Jack does have much more value.

But these are 3 rational trades that could be made........

Davis 2011 Toronto 1st unprotected & TPE for Gasol

Jack Beli and TPE for Prince

Toronto Trades Jack & Beli to Indiana
Gets Gortat

Indiana Trades Murphy
Gets Jack Beli & Bass

Orlando Trades Gortat & Bass
Gets Murphy

To get a quality C or PF I would gladly trade people like Davis or Jack.

Evans and Banks could be more valuable near deadline or if a big move is made do a Evans and Banks to NY pick up Curry and get NY to pay Curry's salary.
Not a huge fan of any of those deals, at all. The only one I'd even be content about is the prince deal... And I'm not a fan of Gortat in the slightest.
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Ummm, I might be crazy but... isn't using the TPE actually adding flexibility in a way? Bascially what I'm asking is how could the Raptors ever spend over the cap n a large way without using the TPE? And if they don't spend over the cap aren't they more limited? You can' just add a $15 million on top of the cap without doing it this way and using the TPE.... right?
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Ummm, I might be crazy but... isn't using the TPE actually adding flexibility in a way? Bascially what I'm asking is how could the Raptors ever spend over the cap n a large way without using the TPE? And if they don't spend over the cap aren't they more limited? You can' just add a $15 million on top of the cap without doing it this way and using the TPE.... right?
Yes it definitely one of the ways to exceed the cap.
Obviously there are others mid level exemption and bi anual exemptions, draft choices resigning your own players with Bird rights.
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