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Omfg! are we back to comparing Calderon and Lowry again?

Bill Haverchuck

Jose is fantastic.....at playing back-up PG against opposing bench players.

Bill Haverchuck

Anyway, time for Haverchuck to mediate.

You're both guilty of hyperbole.

Saying Lowry is a "huge upgrade" is somewhat extreme, and saying Jose is fantastic is overrating him.

LX referred to Lowry as a "huge upgrade". That's somewhat extreme. An upgrade? Sure. Based on defense alone, I consider Lowry an upgrade. But "huge"? In that sense, Craigy-poo does have a point that you should wait for some games to be played before exhibiting that degree of enthusiam. Personally, I find him calling Jose "fantastic" as silly, if not more. If Jose is fantastic, then what is Chris Paul, D-Will or Rondo? Jose is a fantastic back-up. LX is talking about starters.

LX

I'll take that judgment. But I don't personally feel I went all that much overboard. I really think that the defense and the ability to force the issue on offense throughout any game is a pretty huge upgrade. In my mind it's a couple of aspects that have been sorely needed for a long time.

That doesn't mean Jose wouldn't still be valuable. And if he does get traded I would hope there would be something of a veteran presence coming back. I'm hoping to see a team that can grow up a little now and make the most of all the effort they've shown themselves to be capable of.

jeffb

Yeah, i have to agree. I think a player like Lowry that pushes the ball, is aggressive, defends and is tough as nails is exactly what this team needs. I just think he fits what we need at the PG position with the young athletic players we have. Jose Calderon is a good PG but i just don't know if his slower paced and safe play fit what we need going forward with a team of young players that can make stops and get out and run. Now it could be that Lowry comes in and it doesn't work for whatever reason, but imo we're much improved at the PG position with or without Jose here as the primary backup.

pzabby

this has been said in a million different ways on this subject. I'm not taking a shot at you, just at the fact of how redundant this topic has become. really shows how slow the off season is. after all our analysis, all we can do is sit and wait, and see what gold is brought to us, and by whom, if any.

halphbreedballer

All I care about is that Lowry starts & Jose comes off then bench period!

Led Boots

Great analysis. A smart PG means easy buckets. That coupled with intense defense will be fun to watch.

Superjudge

Oh you touchy bastard LX. Question... do I know you? Are you actually making a character judgement on me, using me actual NAME on a message board? I'm sorry, did I give you permission to use that name? Maybe ask ok, or if not, just drop the whole name in there, post my address below as well captain.

As for my post, you guys are fucking ridiculous. Haverchuck, in his own backhanded way is partially right, I only use extremes to counter ct already existing ones... except, the word fantastic isn't overkill,depends on how you use it. I know how I do.... and I think Jose is a fantastic player. So is Lowry...in fact most players that I think are above average, or serve a purpose that I think is valuable consistently I would call fantastic. Not sure why its such a big deal.

Anyhow, whatevs... Lowry hasn't played here yet, and Houston wasn't too worried about letting him go. I have no idea why...and I'm sure you all don't either. THAT deserves thought and discussion, if you dont think it does, fine, but maybe you dont see things the way I do.

'trane

sorry sj, when you post your real name on a board you give permission to people to use it. and you've posted that name lots of times. you even posted it along with the name of your employer at one point.

js12

I don't know why everyone else getting so touchy about the point guard situation. We have two point guards that can play a significant role on a winning team. Shouldn't it be something to be appreciated rather than to be debated?

jeffb

On the surface it would be great, but it'll turn into a problem. Pretty much already has.

Shifty.py

All depends on how Casey and Calderon play it out.

carp

I just hope SJ isn't as right as he's been before.... Lowry comes in with all this hype after being a malcontent in Houston on a non-playoff team that was considered relatively deep though lacking a C. Houston seemed quick to pull the trigger on a pick that is likely not going to be great when they already had three picks in that not so fantastic range this year. That's a lot of youth to rely on when you're trading a young PG with NBA experience that could have fit in a core group moving forward. It's just wise to exercise caution, this kid also missed a lot of games last year as well. Maybe there is more to know about Kyle Lowry (or Kevin Lowry/Kyle Landry...) than everything that was suggested was all that was needed to know.

pastmyshades

A few things...

1. The reason Houston was willing to let Lowry go is because Daryl Morey will do ANYTHING to get a superstar in Houston. There are two ways to do that, through the draft or through trade. Lowry was their best bargaining chip and it couldn't get them Dwight Howard so next best thing is to get a lottery pick which can either turn into a superstar or be used in a package to trade for one. Lowry's contract is the best bargain in the NBA for a player not on his rookie deal so the time to trade him was now since he will be up for an extension in two years. If they waited until after next season they wouldn't have gotten as much because he would be an UFA and no team will give up that much for a 1-yr rental of someone that will most likely be due for a nice payday somewhere else.

2. Lowry missed time last year due to a bacterial infection. The odds of him contracting that are the same as you and I. It's not like he has some chronic, nagging injury like say, oh I don't know, Derrick Rose.

-James

carp

Wasn't the bacterial infection the second injury? Also, they basically had three late lottery picks this year, if they couldn't use those to get a star, gettting another late lottery pick isn't going to greatly add to their chances. Moving Lowry for Forbes and a late lottery is quite telling how much they thought of Lowry.

Superjudge

no, i dont.

MikeToronto

Or, and more scary, how much other teams thought of him. Couldn't the Rockets obtain a better deal? That's what puzzled me the most at the time - I doubt Lowry told Houston that it's Toronto or bust.

moremilk

lebron, howard or durant would like a word with you ...
lebron is underpaid by probably twice kyle's salary ....

MikeToronto

Don't be nitpicking

Although I do wish for the Raps to start underpaying for those types of players ASAP.