Everyone who harps about "defensive effort", read this article.
Old 01-26-2011, 12:21 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Chris Paul, New Orleans Hornets Succeeding Thanks To Smart, Overachieving Defense - SBNation.com

This is why I cringe when people talk about the lack of effort of the defensive end as some complete prescription for a team's defensive woes. Sure that's part of it but so much more has to do with going the extra mile, designing an efficient system and then ensuring all the players buy into it.

This is why the Raptors suck.
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Old 01-26-2011, 12:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't think we have the personnel to deal with this kind of complexity. We have just to many liabilities on the Roster. Bargs has a hard enough time just dealing with his man and help defending guards, and your going to ask him to be aware of taking away areas of the court for certain players, with changing scenarios every night.
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it would also be nice to have someone like Chris Paul. might help.

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Old 01-26-2011, 01:17 PM   #4 (permalink)
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it would also be nice to have someone like Chris Paul. might help.

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Lol... ya think? Paul is the top ball hawk in the NBA... along with Okafor (who's averaging a double-double and is one of the better shotblockers out there) and West (a borderline all-star).

Those are 3 pretty good pieces to build around. Not championship-calibre by any means but you can win some games with a core like that.
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Ariza is not too shabby a defender either.
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Take Bargnani out of the lineup, that would be a good start.
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Old 01-26-2011, 02:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Ajinca and AB to start in the frontcourt.
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Ariza was definitely a nice piece for them to pick up. But if you look at that team now, or when they succeeded under Scott, there are some guys that do not stand out as remarkable defenders. Chris Paul included. And it would be so easy to just milk CP's offensive abilities as much as possible.

The thing is that there is the demand for excellence on the defensive end, as a team, with no excuses. It's not an easy thing to attain. But the first step is recognizing who isn't making it happen, who is never going to make it happen, and do something about it other than trying to milk the offense and make excuses. The Raptors are still too green to really take such measures in full, but I really would hope they are leaning that way.
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So, are we saying that Bargnani will never learn and the only way for this team to play defense consistently is to trade him?
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So, are we saying that Bargnani will never learn and the only way for this team to play defense consistently is to trade him?
Yes... it's all AB.
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Do you think with all the different nationalities on the team, that communication could be a problem.
I am not talking about understanding the language, but every culture has certain level of an ability to take criticism from you pals and co-workers. Maybe players are not as vocal with their teamates on defending as they should be.
Maybe they feel like they are walking on eggshells with some of the players.

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I don't think it is all Andrea, when he gets his man out of the key I think he is kind of effective. But when your playing 2-3 and Andrea is your back middle, your asking him to make choices his body can't fallow threw on, more often then not he is going to frozen by the offense. Not only that but he we'll take himself out any kind of rebounding position, chasing a block.
I think Jose and Kleiza are equal liabilities, Jose may maybe even more so then Andrea. I don't even think its effort any more, they are just physically out matched. I say this about Jose because he is the pg and on most defensive sets he is usually the first domino to fall. Leaving everyone scrambling, and forcing Andrea make those unanswerable choices.

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So, are we saying that Bargnani will never learn and the only way for this team to play defense consistently is to trade him?
Actually I'm thinking something quite different. There are guys on the Hornets that have been pretty weak defensively in the past. But they are able to play smart within a team system and get results all the same. All they need to do is not take away from the efforts of their really strong defenders, and the team can benefit from a net gain on that end. Bargnani should be able to do that much. I've seen it in more than a handful of games over the years. Earlier this season he did clear the bar I would like to see him clear, in terms of filling a Rick Smits role. It would mean committing to being active in some way on the defensive end, which is not asking an enormous amount, but in much more than a handful of games, I've seen where that seems an impossible task.

In any case, it would be great to see a guy like Ariza or Chandler here. Davis could turn into that kind of player. Forget that. He will be that kind of player, and pretty soon. If another player can really tighten up the perimeter then we could have a team that a Bargnani ought to be able to succeed with, as long as everyone buys into playing smart. And if Bargnani proves to only negate the overall good defense, then he has to be let go in a hurry.

In my mind, in these games that have required uglying up with a shorter rotation, it should be on him to show that he can make the ugly game work over the beautiful offensive game. Because even if it fails to be quite enough to win right now, it is going to matter in the long run. His offense is going to be essential as well of course. But we've seen that disappear too. So he absolutely has to find it in him to contribute in some way beyond scoring, or else this team would be better off moving him for that elite defender, and drafting a guy that can score as well as be a part of the team defense.

So I throw the Rick Smits role out there again. Can he clear that bar consistently? Unfortunately, he is going to need to carry too much of an offensive load, so he shouldn't be judged on that. But then neither should Kleiza or Bayless or Barbosa. The eyes of Colangelo and company really need to be on what can truly be expected on the defensive end with each of these players. The rest of this season should give a pretty good indication, and certainly by this time next year there should be real certainty. So Bargnani, and all the rest really, are on the clock. Unless they just decide to go with an all-out running attack once again, and try to get by with small improvements on defense. I wouldn't rule out having that work to an extent with the right personnel.

And I wouldn't hazard to guess how they figure their current personnel could best be used. The pattern would seem to suggest that they look to offense to carry them, and I wouldn't object all that much if they made it work. But Bargnani, as a 7-footer is still going to need to contribute in some way on the other end to make the running game work, or else you end up with the muddle we've seen forever, where too many guys need to try to over-help and work extra hard defensively to make up for one guy that can't be counted on. And then those same guys end up busting a gut to be part of the running game. So whether they commit fully to team defense that allows for winning in spite of offensive shortcomings, or all-out offense that overcomes some defensive shortcomings, Bargnani is on the clock.
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Old 01-26-2011, 04:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Do you think with all the different nationalities on the team, that communication could be a problem.
I am not talking about understanding the language, but every culture has certain level of an ability to take criticism from you pals and co-workers. Maybe players are not as vocal with their teamates on defending as they should be.
Maybe they feel like they are walking on eggshells with some of the players.

Just a Thought
In Europe there are many more nationalities, staff included. Many coaches don't even speak fluent English and yet teams can play defence and play efficiently. So I don't think this is a major problem. Although not being able to take criticism might be a character trait of a certain person. Best players in any sports don't climb to the top by being soft.
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