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Old 12-05-2011, 08:31 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I can't stand the fact that why those Euro rookies like Ricky Rubio and our very own Jonas Valanciunas choose to enter the draft early when they are still under contract with their respective European teams

I mean what's the point to declare yourself eligible for the draft only to stay over in Europe for another year or two? Or even worse when they are simply not ready to come over at all....such as in the case of Orlando Magic's pick Fran Vazquez in 2005.

What is this? kinda like a casual job hunt? Secure your spot in the NBA first by getting drafted, if not you still have the Euro gig to fall back on?

COME ON OVER WHEN YOUR REALLY READY! Come over when there's no strings attached damn it! I'm just really upset because I'd rather watch a rookie develop his game on the Raps this year when our team's tanking again. I know Valanciunas has good potential, but I hate the fact that we could've had Kemba or Knight because Bayless is simply NOT good enough going forward.

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Old 12-05-2011, 08:39 PM   #2 (permalink)
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If Jonas were in next year's draft Colangelo would have picked him anyways over the likes of Andre Drummond, Anthony Davis, Harrison Barnes and Jared Sullinger....OH! and you can bet Colangelo would've picked Jan Vesely without Jonas around because he has to indulge that insatiable European fetish of his. Let's hope we land Boki Nachbar too, it would definitely make Bryan's day
Dude, take a look at Colangelo's draft record and it's clear that he doesn't have a euro only fetish..... it's actually just a narrow perspective that you're exhibiting
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Old 12-05-2011, 08:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Ooops, I didn't mean for the title of the post to be Euro Fetish, I just got too carried away ranting about it....

I wanted to focus on the rookies from overseas entering the draft with a contract. I changed the title and deleted the euro fetish rant

yes people tend to exhibit narrow perspectives when they are angry
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Ooops, I didn't mean for the title of the post to be Euro Fetish, I just got too carried away ranting about it....

I wanted to focus on the rookies from overseas entering the draft with a contract. I changed the title and deleted the euro fetish rant

yes people tend to exhibit narrow perspectives when they are angry
cool.... I get the feeling... I'm not sure how the system came to be.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:21 PM   #5 (permalink)
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We could've had Kemba or Knight in a weak draft class, not playing whatsoever and losing ground pretty quickly when the next wave of better players at those positions enters the draft.

If any NBA really wanted to bring these guys over, they could. They just need to negotiate the buy out. Hell, if we wanted to, we could've brought JV over this year, but what's the point right now? Keep him there, let him play meaningful minutes and then when he's 20 bring him over.

And it's not a fall back option. A lot of times, it relies upon these kids being signed when they're just kids.
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Old 12-05-2011, 09:23 PM   #6 (permalink)
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It's because unlike in US, Euro basketball development works in a similar way to soccer. You find an impressive 12 year old kid in some village, bring him to your affiliated youth academy, then in a few years to your feeder team, and sign him to a 5 year 100k/year contract that lasts till he's over 20.
It's cool if you are like Kanter and your family is rich. Most of these kids / their parents will happily commit though, it's huge safe money at that point. I doubt Jonas parents made over 10k/year each before his contract.

However, it would be insane for Jonas and Rubio to stay their full contracts at 100k a year. Or risk an injury and not getting into draft at all.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:17 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Re Vasquez - he didn't disclose his intentions up front. So that sucks for Magic. But I bet he would have joined the NBA if it wasn't the Magic.
Fran was a real shot blocking center, he was a rising star in Spain and could make good money. If you are going to leave that, you probably don't want to be a guaranteed career 10 MPG guy behind Howard, who's younger than you.

I'm surprised Magic never traded him. Especially after they got Gortat.
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Old 12-05-2011, 10:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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simply European players coming over are pros, college players are amateurs
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:30 PM   #9 (permalink)
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We could've had Kemba or Knight in a weak draft class, not playing whatsoever and losing ground pretty quickly when the next wave of better players at those positions enters the draft.

If any NBA really wanted to bring these guys over, they could. They just need to negotiate the buy out. Hell, if we wanted to, we could've brought JV over this year, but what's the point right now? Keep him there, let him play meaningful minutes and then when he's 20 bring him over.

And it's not a fall back option. A lot of times, it relies upon these kids being signed when they're just kids.

But then you have to look at the positions of the players entering the draft next year, which is PF/SF heavy...so it's not like we are going to get any guards. It's better to draft by best available talent instead of needs...there's no way we pass all the forwards I mentioned above for Teaque or Kabongo.

There's always ways to bring those overseas draftees over, money talks....but who's willing to spend the money? Why don't he KEEP HIMSELF over there until he's 20 then declare for draft? It's like a high school player entering the draft first and after getting drafted he says ok I'm going to attend college to develop my game, so I will join the NBA a year or two later. OR! draft a player from the college, but send him to the D-league for the entire year. Keep him there, let him play meaningful minutes and then when he's "seasoned" bring him over...because there's no point for him to sit at the end of the bench of a NBA team.

I don't think that's right, because learning from the bench is part of the rookie maturing process. Unless you are a lottery pick on a shitty team, most rookies will have to go through riding the pine one way or the other...if you want meaningful minutes then stay in college a couple more years, stay overseas a couple more years until you are ready to come over. I'd rather Jonas get here this year while we still suck and get acclimatized to the NBA instead of having TWO rookies on the team next year. But that's not going to happen because he's tied down to a stupid contract.

There's only SO MUCH we can do to buy Jonas out. I think we are only allowed to pay a small percentage of the buyout, the rest has got to be paid by the player himself. Obviously he'd rather play out his contract than pay unnecessary money to come a year early. Now there's no way to stop the player from declaring for the draft, but the NBA should set a rule to prevent draftees from coming overseas too early unless they are completely freed from their European contracts. Again sure the NBA teams can buy them out, but who's going spend money to free a rookie? We talking about rookies here
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Old 12-05-2011, 11:34 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 12-06-2011, 11:50 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Honestly i don't care if he's not here this year. We got a hell of a talent who already is showing he can compete and succeed against older and bigger players who are professionals. Don't let one somewhat meaningless year get in the way celebrating that we got this guy long term. A guy who should end up better than the most of the other guys who we could have drafted. It's a celebration. [rick james voice]
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