ESPN: Who does Bargnani think he is? Dirk?
Old 01-10-2012, 04:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Weíre talking about 23.0 PPG on .517 from the floor, 6.3 rebounds, 2.6 assists, and maybe only 0.5 steals and 0.6 blocks, but also only 1.9 turnovers, with an advanced stats .612 TS% and 14.2 AST% on a 28.2% usage rate good for .213 win shares per-48 minutes.

Wait. That was Dirk last year. Letís try that again, shall we?

Heís made 71% on 2.4 field goal attempts at the rim, 49% on 3.6 attempts from 10-15 feet, 52% on 6.3 from 16-23, and an eFG% of 59% on 2.3 3-point attempts.

Dammit. Dirkís numbers from last year again. This is bafflingÖ

Bargnani this year, 22.8 PPG .523 from the floor, 6.4 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 0.4 steals and 0.8 blocks with 2.0 turnovers, and going advanced once again, a .610 TS%, 14.3 AST% rate with a 28.3% usage rate and a career high .183 win shares per-48 minutes.

Via HoopData, 76% field goals at the rim on 3.6 attempts, 52% on 2.9 attempts from 10-15 feet, 54% on 4.9 from 16-23, and an eFG% of 56% on 3.4 3-point attempts a game.

Easy to see how I got my numbers crossed now, isnít it? Itís like these two offensive games are brothers from another mother.
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Casey smartly slid Bargs over to the power forward spot to do his work, and itís paying dividends, ones that likely land this Nowitzki clone on the All-Star team this year for the first time (sorry, Bosh. Sort of. Okay, not really). While Iím not ready to give Il Mago Clown Stilts status quite yet, heís more than well on his way to at least not being a bust in a clown suit anymore. And itís not as if Dirk or the Mavs have fared better this year either.

Bargnani has even shown some signs of effort on the defensive end for the first time in his career, another effect drawn directly from Casey who through some sort of sorcery has the whole of Toronto on the defensive, seemingly a lost cause for this group before this year. Andrea Bargnani is finally answering the call.


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Old 01-10-2012, 04:11 PM   #2 (permalink)
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What a dick. Alright, Bargs didn't give the best defensive effort when he was playing out of position guarding all the big 5's but he was never a clown. Funny though, earlier this morning I was comparing Bargs' and Dirk's stats and apparently at this point in time, he is better than Dirka Dirka. :P
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If he can start making plays coming out of timeouts... it could get ugly on RF!
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Old 01-10-2012, 04:38 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Bargs is the awesomest
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Old 01-10-2012, 04:52 PM   #5 (permalink)
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He can have a high career with his talent, if he keep on improving. Who knows, maybe one day he'll be appreciated in NBA by more people than he is now. Oh well, if people give chances to players as James Johnson or Fredette...
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barg's D has long been the story obviously but last season the issue for me was his lack of efficiency and decision making on shots. I know i'm not saying much new here but just want to re-emphasise he is so much more efficient and intelligent this year. He's driving to the hoop, getting to the line and when he's got the respect inside he starts stretching things by taking the perimeter shots. He's playing out of his skin, it's a joy to watch.
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barg's D has long been the story obviously but last season the issue for me was his lack of efficiency and decision making on shots. I know i'm not saying much new here but just want to re-emphasise he is so much more efficient and intelligent this year. He's driving to the hoop, getting to the line and when he's got the respect inside he starts stretching things by taking the perimeter shots. He's playing out of his skin, it's a joy to watch.
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barg's D has long been the story obviously but last season the issue for me was his lack of efficiency and decision making on shots. I know i'm not saying much new here but just want to re-emphasise he is so much more efficient and intelligent this year. He's driving to the hoop, getting to the line and when he's got the respect inside he starts stretching things by taking the perimeter shots. He's playing out of his skin, it's a joy to watch.
Its a given that he was never to great at defense. I think the thing that really got a lot of fnas upset was his lack of effort and disinterest to help out his teammates. He stood around the 3 pt line very often and just shot the ball. He watches plays where he can boxout, instead watching Ahmir taking all the damage to his body. He wasnt aggressive and hustling unlike this year. his lackluster of rarely getting 4 rebounds at this size was ridiculous compared to a lot of smaller guards, whom grab more than him Dont know what happened but he has proved all of the doubters wrong that he just needed a push in his motor to give in more effort.
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Old 01-10-2012, 06:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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keep it going Bargs ... when you have talent ... effort and hustle is the next ingredient to becoming a star

he is on the right path .. bravo
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I gotta say, I"m just loving the positive vibes surrounding Bargnani these days.... dude is smiling, fist-pumping, ignoring punks like Garnett, and just taking care of business. He's not worried about stats, but he's getting them. It's a great day to be a raps fan.
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You know, there's something about seeing a player who was drafted by your franchise slowly, gradually become a star in the NBA. I wasn't around for VC or even the earlier stages of Bosh so I hadn't had that feeling yet or could fully understand being upset at losing such a player. But even before the season started, seeing Andrea speak English fluently, intelligently, passionately, and to be honest, better than some of the native speakers, it really showed me how dedicated he is to Toronto but also to understanding his coaches and clearly it has payed off in spades. It really does bring a sense of pride to see him playing this well.
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Old 01-10-2012, 09:44 PM   #12 (permalink)
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What a joke. It takes 6 years before Bargnani finally decides to do something. Meanwhile, in only his 3rd season Dirk has the first of 12 straight 20+ ppg seasons and the first of 9 straight 8+ rebound seasons. This is Bargnani's best season and he's still only averaging a pathetic 6.7 rebounds/game. Gerald Wallace is averaging as many as Bargnani is and he's 5" shorter and a SF. Jason Kidd averaged 8.2 rpg in 2006 and he's 8" shorter and a PG.

Dirk was also more than a perimeter player in his prime like Bargnani is, unafraid of going to the net and getting to the line 7-9 times a game. 6 years in the league and this is Bargani's first season where he's getting to the line more than 6 times a game this season.

You want to make a fair comparison, compare Bargnani to Dirk when Dirk was 26 too, not right now when Dirk is 33 and nearing the end of his career. At 26, Dirk averaged 9.7 rebounds, 26.1 ppg and 1.5 blocks and got to the line 9 times a game absolutely destroying what Bargnani is doing this year.

Any comparisons to Dirk are specious and insulting to Dirk.

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What a joke. It takes 6 years before Bargnani finally decides to do something. Meanwhile, in only his 3rd season Dirk has the first of 12 straight 20+ ppg seasons and the first of 9 straight 8+ rebound seasons. This is Bargnani's best season and he's still only averaging a pathetic 6.7 rebounds/game. Gerald Wallace is averaging as many as Bargnani is and he's 5" shorter and a SF. Jason Kidd averaged 8.2 rpg in 2006 and he's 8" shorter and a PG.

Dirk was also more than a perimeter player in his prime like Bargnani is, unafraid of going to the net and getting to the line 7-9 times a game. 6 years in the league and this is Bargani's first season where he's getting to the line more than 6 times a game this season.

You want to make a fair comparison, compare Bargnani to Dirk when Dirk was 26 too, not right now when Dirk is 33 and nearing the end of his career. At 26, Dirk averaged 9.7 rebounds, 26.1 ppg and 1.5 blocks and got to the line 9 times a game absolutely destroying what Bargnani is doing this year.

Any comparisons to Dirk are specious and insulting to Dirk.
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What a joke. It takes 6 years before Bargnani finally decides to do something. Meanwhile, in only his 3rd season Dirk has the first of 12 straight 20+ ppg seasons and the first of 9 straight 8+ rebound seasons. This is Bargnani's best season and he's still only averaging a pathetic 6.7 rebounds/game. Gerald Wallace is averaging as many as Bargnani is and he's 5" shorter and a SF. Jason Kidd averaged 8.2 rpg in 2006 and he's 8" shorter and a PG.
There are no perfect players and each will have weaknesses. Yes, Bargs needs to improve his rebounding and yes, Kidd is an excellent rebounder for a PG, but he's also a terrible shooter.
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What a joke. It takes 6 years before Bargnani finally decides to do something. Meanwhile, in only his 3rd season Dirk has the first of 12 straight 20+ ppg seasons and the first of 9 straight 8+ rebound seasons. This is Bargnani's best season and he's still only averaging a pathetic 6.7 rebounds/game. Gerald Wallace is averaging as many as Bargnani is and he's 5" shorter and a SF. Jason Kidd averaged 8.2 rpg in 2006 and he's 8" shorter and a PG.
Way to cherry pick one stat and focus on it. We all know about Bargs' rebounding deficiencies.

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Dirk was also more than a perimeter player in his prime like Bargnani is, unafraid of going to the net and getting to the line 7-9 times a game. 6 years in the league and this is Bargani's first season where he's getting to the line more than 6 times a game this season.
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You want to make a fair comparison, compare Bargnani to Dirk when Dirk was 26 too, not right now when Dirk is 33 and nearing the end of his career. At 26, Dirk averaged 9.7 rebounds, 26.1 ppg and 1.5 blocks and got to the line 9 times a game absolutely destroying what Bargnani is doing this year.
So what if Bargs is like a late career Dirk? Didn't Dirk lead a team to a championship last year? Bargs isn't as good as Dirk at the same age. We already knew that. Dirk was a super duper star for most of his career!

The fact that Bargs had some bad seasons and took a long time to develop is meaningless. It's 2012, this is the state of the NBA today. Look at the players from Bargs' draft class now: Bargs is a fantastic player, Aldridge is a stud, Gay is solid but not a superstar and Brandon Roy is, sadly, retired. We picked the right guy.
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Let's let Bargs get through ONE season playing at this level before we start with the Dirk comparisons mkay?
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I thought the comparisons to Dirk were unfair to him. It's too friggin' confusing for me.

I think we need to temper our praise at this point. Without a doubt, he's playing basketball on both ends of the court, and some kind of switch has been flicked. But he hasn't really faced much of a challenge yet, and still might be best suited with a lesser role. I don't think it's unfair to want to still see him offering more resistance in the lane, and making others around him better. If he's simply not that guy, and he might not be that guy, then he's really a fantastic guy to come off the bench, or to bring back a ton of value in a trade.

That's not me bashing our best player. I might say the same thing about Amir with different attributes considered, or Jose. And it marks a huge difference over what I felt about him in the last few years. The big picture is what interests me now. Having BC fall in love with this guy all over again, and not paying attention to what kind of team he wants to build, would be unfortunate. Maybe he needs to see what things look like with JV in tow. I can't really blame him for that. But I also hope that he sees all the holes that need to be filled on this team, and if he can fill a few of them potentially, by moving a guy that still doesn't do much more than score. As much as I love the new-found efficiency, and how he has stopped being an overall liability by a longshot, that's also what could allow him to bring back what we need more as a rebuilding team.

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