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Dario 12-18-2012 05:58 PM

ESPN Trade debates: Who stays, who goes?
 
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3. The Raptors should trade Andrea Bargnani.
A. Agree strongly.
B. Agree somewhat.
C. Disagree somewhat.
D. Disagree strongly.

Ford: A. Agree strongly. Bargnani has been an example of a player whose team internally values him more than other teams have for years. This has been Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo's project and after years of false starts, it's pretty clear he will never live up to his promise. I don't think there's any team dying to take on his deal, but if the Raptors are willing to offer some of their young players in return, the equation may change quickly.

Ham: B. Agree somewhat. Bargnani is talented, but he really needs the right situation to flourish, and I'm not sure he can find that again in Toronto. The Raptors have compiled some nice complementary pieces in Kyle Lowry, DeMar DeRozan and Jonas Valanciunas, but Bargnani isn't a franchise guy, and you have to wonder if both the team and the player in this situation wouldn't benefit greatly from a change.

McGowan: A. Agree strongly. Bargnani seems to have openly quit on his team, but who wants to pay $23 million over the next two seasons for an inefficient power forward who can't guard anyone? The Raptors might have to package him with a more enticing asset if they want to get rid of him.

Schmidt: C. Disagree somewhat. His value will never be lower. If he can be a part of a larger deal, such as one that could bring in a Gasol, then sure, let him go. But don't just punt Bargs for the sake of starting over. This season is a loss anyway, so the Raptors might as well let him try to boost his value.

Soriano: A. Agree strongly. While still young, Bargnani's game has plateaued in Toronto. Also, his poor defense and single-focused offensive approach require too specific a team to surround him, but he's not elite enough to justify being a building block who shapes their roster construction. A change of scenery would do both sides some good.
Also a mention of TRoss and JV for AV

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2. The Cavaliers should trade Anderson Varejao.
A. Agree strongly.
B. Agree somewhat.
C. Disagree somewhat.
D. Disagree strongly.

Ford: A. Agree strongly. Sell high. Varejao is playing like an All-Star this year and he has stayed healthy. A number of teams in contention, led once again by the Timberwolves, are in the hunt for him. The Cavs want multiple young assets or draft picks back in return. Again, I don't see a perfect fit. The Bucks are a possibility, as they have a number of interesting young bigs. I wouldn't be shocked to see the Raptors go after him as well. They have a number of interesting young players (Jonas Valanciunas and Terrence Ross anyone?) and the rumblings out of Toronto sound as though it needs to start winning now.

Ham: A. Agree strongly. This is a tough one. Varejao is having a career year at age 30, which tells you to sell, sell, sell. But stripping Kyrie Irving of his only true post presence may have lasting effects. At the end of the day, the Cavs should be able to land a long-term solution at one of their glaring positions of need for an aging, injury-prone center playing well above his ability.

McGowan: B. Agree somewhat. In a vacuum, the Cavs should unload Varejao, whose stock will never be higher, but it's going to be difficult for them to get something close to equal value in return. Nearly all of the title contenders that desire Varejao's services are devoid of the young talent and/or lottery picks that Cavs GM Chris Grant covets.

Schmidt: A. Agree strongly. Embrace a rebuild. Don't hang on to assets too long. Of course Varejao makes them a better team, but does he make them a playoff team? Obviously not. Sell high and get something in return, be that a pick or a prospect. Whomever they get, he'll help them in four years more than Varejao.

Soriano: C. Disagree somewhat. Not only is his contract great, but there are few big men who defend and clean the glass like Varejao. The Cavs would be wise to keep him and those skills on their team. However, if they're blown away by an offer, his injury history and age should be reasons to consider a deal that helps accelerate their rebuilding.
NBA - Debating the future of five trade targets - ESPN

jeffb 12-18-2012 06:00 PM

already posted

bigmandinky 12-18-2012 06:01 PM

Screw Varejao - no way in hell we give up Ross or JV for him. Fuck these analysts.

Dario 12-18-2012 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 724135)
already posted

oh my bad, where?

jeffb 12-18-2012 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 724137)
oh my bad, where?

in the bargnani thread

http://www.raptorsforum.com/f/f5/bar...t-24315-4.html

Dario 12-18-2012 06:07 PM

Ah ok, I didn't see it there, thought it was thread worthy, and the Tross part isnt there either.

jeffb 12-18-2012 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Dario (Post 724139)
Ah ok, I didn't see it there, thought it was thread worthy, and the Tross part isnt there either.

probably is, but the amount of bargs and jose threads is seriously getting out of hand. Who knows, maybe that's just me though.

tyguy94 12-18-2012 06:19 PM

I think its a good thread :P

I agree Bargnani should be moved, but I think the second idea for Varejo is horrible. Hes 30 and we're not going to be championship contenders anytime soon, so to trade 2 prospects is a bad idea.

Dario 12-18-2012 09:45 PM

I suppose DA was right in saying we were 7-19 :dancing:

LOG 12-18-2012 09:54 PM

So according to these schmucks it makes seance for us to give up two first round picks for Anderson fucking Varejao? :nono_h4h:

jeffb 12-18-2012 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LOG (Post 724541)
So according to these schmucks it makes seance for us to give up two first round picks for Anderson fucking Varejao? :nono_h4h:

Where does it say both? It implies they have good young pieces to move but it doesn't say once that we should trae both. And i agree Varejao would be great here, but not for Ross or Valanciunas.

Raptors1995 12-18-2012 10:10 PM

Forget giving up a package of Valanciunas/Ross for Andy.

Dario 12-18-2012 10:28 PM

yeah, not happening in my books

LOG 12-18-2012 10:32 PM

Lets give up our prospects, its not like we need picks or talent for the future, because we are trying to win now so trade for AV makes so much seance! :dead:

Blaze 12-18-2012 10:38 PM

Lol we wouldn't trade Val for Harden and this guy is saying for Varejae. It's stuff like this that honestly makes me think these ESPN writers that get paid to do their jobs barely know anything at times.

Don Vito 12-18-2012 10:53 PM

Jonas for Varejao, LOL... what a joke.

Torontosaurus 12-18-2012 11:04 PM

Idiots.. no way would trade tross or Val for Varejao who's got what, 3-4 good years left in him at 30

Raptors74 12-19-2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Don Vito (Post 724624)
Jonas for Varejao, LOL... what a joke.

Wouldn't do Ross OR Jonas straight up for that flopper, don't even discuss it as a package. :lol:

JDMtors 12-19-2012 12:55 AM

2 rookies with loads of potential for a 30 year old who has never ever considered to be an allstar Lol. JV, Ross and add in Bargnani can grab us Gay + if we were to do that

jeffb 12-19-2012 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JDMtors (Post 724695)
2 rookies with loads of potential for a 30 year old who has never ever considered to be an allstar Lol. JV, Ross and add in Bargnani can grab us Gay + if we were to do that

It never said we'd trade BOTH. Wow people.:rolleyes:


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