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Old 02-25-2010, 06:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This article credit to dino nation blog articulates very well the hypocrisydsicplayed by the NBA as they say no tampering by the media but let ESPN continue to start rumors and keep the fire burning with regards to bosh, wade, lebron, so great article and I hope the NBA recognizes cities like toronto deserve top name players just as much as new york, miami, etc..

Dino Nation Blog: 2010 ESPN Refuses To Let The Dream Die
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well, that's a beautiful dream if you live in NY and a horrible nightmare if you call Cleveland, Miami or Toronto home...

Could they get together and agree to sign with NY at 11 mil/year each, assuming Knicks have 33 mil under the cap to spend? Of course they could. Mind you, the rest of the roster would be comprised of veteran minimum players, but they still could. I doubt it'd guarantee a dynasty in NY, but they'd have a pretty darn good team, coached by a perfect guy for the job.

But would they?
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Old 02-25-2010, 07:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The Big Markets get the love with the rumours. Even the Lakers got Gasol for a Song considering a trade that Stern problably had his hands all over. Heck even the NHL does it. I think every star player in the NHL was rumoured to go to the Rangers or Leafs. Its nothing new and it is what it is.
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The Big Markets get the love with the rumours. Even the Lakers got Gasol for a Song considering a trade that Stern problably had his hands all over. Heck even the NHL does it. I think every star player in the NHL was rumoured to go to the Rangers or Leafs. Its nothing new and it is what it is.
Sorry, there have been many worse trades in the NBA than the Gasol to the Lakers trade.
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Sorry, there have been many worse trades in the NBA than the Gasol to the Lakers trade.
Well to get over the hump to win a championship quite doubtful.
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Well to get over the hump to win a championship quite doubtful.
Before acquiring Gasol at the trading deadline, they were first in the Western Conference.
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Before acquiring Gasol at the trading deadline, they were first in the Western Conference.
insurance. Makes it even more blatant. Really I don't wanna argue one of many conspiracy theories I have with the NBA but you read the mainstream media articles or ask any accessible Toronto Media member and they will all say that trade was a gift.
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insurance. Makes it even more blatant. Really I don't wanna argue one of many conspiracy theories I have with the NBA but you read the mainstream media articles or ask any accessible Toronto Media member and they will all say that trade was a gift.
Whenever a big time team makes a trade, everyone not associated to that big market thinks it is all a conspiracy.

Marc Gasol, 2 First round draft picks, a big expiring contract in Kwame Brown, and Javaris Crittenton.

Is it really that bad now that you actually READ into what the Grizzlies received?

I can find PLENTY of trades that were worse.
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Whenever a big time team makes a trade, everyone not associated to that big market thinks it is all a conspiracy.

Marc Gasol, 2 First round draft picks, a big expiring contract in Kwame Brown, and Javaris Crittenton.

Is it really that bad now that you actually READ into what the Grizzlies received?

I can find PLENTY of trades that were worse.
Marc Gasol won't be anywhere near Pau and those two first rounders are late late first rounders. Usually picks contenders trade away regardless. As for cap space its only good if you can fill it and Crittenton is just a fill in.

Here is Greg Popovich on the Trade

What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension,” said Popovich. “There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I’d like to elect myself to that committee. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade.”

Here is George Karl's comments backing up Pops

“I’m with Pop on the Gasol trade. [The Nuggets media relations director] told me about the trade, I said ‘the league can’t let that happen. There’s no way.’ That’s not going to happen. I swear, I said ‘there’s no way that’s happening.’ It was like a gift — Christmas come early. It was a surprise package underneath the tree.”


Believe it or not Pau Gasol is one of the best big men in the NBA and this trade was nothing but a joke.
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Marc Gasol won't be anywhere near Pau and those two first rounders are late late first rounders. Usually picks contenders trade away regardless. As for cap space its only good if you can fill it and Crittenton is just a fill in.

Here is Greg Popovich on the Trade

What they did in Memphis is beyond comprehension,” said Popovich. “There should be a trade committee that can scratch all trades that make no sense. I just wish I had been on a trade committee that oversees NBA trades. I’d like to elect myself to that committee. I would have voted no to the L.A. trade.”

Here is George Karl's comments backing up Pops

“I’m with Pop on the Gasol trade. [The Nuggets media relations director] told me about the trade, I said ‘the league can’t let that happen. There’s no way.’ That’s not going to happen. I swear, I said ‘there’s no way that’s happening.’ It was like a gift — Christmas come early. It was a surprise package underneath the tree.”


Believe it or not Pau Gasol is one of the best big men in the NBA and this trade was nothing but a joke.
Wow, that trade isn't as big of a joke as you think. Marc Gasol is in his second year and no where close to what he can become. A very solid player, and can possibly even make an all-star game or two when his career is said and done.

You can't fully evaluate trades until a few years later... everyone knows that.

Both teams made out good in the deal. Gasol wasn't happy in Memphis, Memphis wanted to shed some money, etc etc.
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Besides, Pop has changed his stance on the trade since then... This year Pop said:

"They gave up a great player but it helped them extend the franchise's success into the future," Popovich said. "It's shown that they've done a good job. Whatever they were thinking a couple of iterations ahead at the time has paid off for them."

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Besides, didn't the Spurs absolutely fleece the Bucks when they traded Kurt Thomas and a retiring Bruce Bowen for Richard Jefferson? At that time, that trade was considered as lopsided as any other deal anyone could think of.

The Nuggets traded Camby for one (or two?) second round draft picks.

The infamous VC trade.

The Cavalier trade for Jamison (since they are getting back Big Z in thirty days anyway).

I can go on forever.
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Ya u can and your showing how dumb the CBA is
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Ya you can what?

And yes, it might be dumb, but by no means do I believe that this league is rigged to help their "big" market teams, nor is it their intention to do so.

And my other point is that the Gasol trade isn't as bad as it seems, and one of your very own sources even retracted his statement regarding the trade.
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The Gasol trade was atrocious. The only reason it's turned out to be palatable is because Mark Gasol has turned out to be pretty good. But when this deal went down, that wasn't really known and this deal looked horendous.

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The Gasol trade was atrocious. The only reason it's turned out to be platable is because Mark Gasol has turned out to be pretty good. But when this deal went down, that wasn't really known and this deal looked horendous.
1. Do you think the league had anything to do with this trade?

2. It might have looked bad, but not as bad as many other trades that have happened throughout NBA's history.
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Let's put it this way if that trade had not happened, Howard, Hedo and the other players on the 2008/2009 Magic team probably have rings.
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Jump do you think the league helped Toronto land Colangelo? In fact I believe it was reported.

If so, it's entirely conceivable that the NBA 'helped' in this trade and others.

The NBA, if it really wanted to, could call for a silencing in the media in regards to 2010 and LeBron, Wade and Bosh. Specifically Bosh, where there is either Toronto or Canada bashing. The NBA allows it without blinking. Is it collusion? Possibly.
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I don't know if the league helped Toronto land Colangelo, but in any case there is no proof of that. Secondly, what could the league possibly do to help Toronto land him? Give Colangelo a bonus under the table? I think that's far-fetched.

They MAY have suggested to MLSE or Colangelo the benefits of having each side work for each other, but personally I don't think that is something thats wrong on their part.


With regards to the league helping out trades.. The most the league could do in regards to "helping" in trades, is just by allowing trades to happen. It's highly unlikely that they have a hand on where a player ends up. If they did have such a hand, Lebron wouldn't be in Cleveland, Carter wouldn't have been in Toronto, Durant in Seattle/OKC, Duncan in S.A his whole career.


Now as for the media, there is little that the NBA could do to stop that. I don't think they can call for such a thing, or if they can, it will be extremely hard and expensive to regulate the media. It'd be such a waste of resources on their part trying to regulate the media, when their primary focus should be on making the game enjoyable and reachable to all parts of the world.
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