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Old 06-12-2012, 01:07 AM   #201 (permalink)
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:54 AM   #202 (permalink)
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NBA Rumors: Why Andre Iguodala Is Better Fit Than Rudy Gay for Toronto Raptors | Bleacher Report

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Old 06-12-2012, 11:18 AM   #203 (permalink)
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A pretty weak article, to be expected I suppose..... but I'd agree it's main premise is solid if without a reasoned approach.

I think Iggy's versatility also plays into it, but the shorter contract should not be a plus for the Raps in my mind.
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:57 PM   #204 (permalink)
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A pretty weak article, to be expected I suppose..... but I'd agree it's main premise is solid if without a reasoned approach.

I think Iggy's versatility also plays into it, but the shorter contract should not be a plus for the Raps in my mind.

i was as hype as as others when i heard this trade rumor in the beginning...but it wasn't as pretty as it sounds like when i think twice

i don't want discuses Iggy's rumor because there is no way to get it done base on the asset we have(even if Phily's would accept DD or AB which they won't)

Gay's trade is more realistic for both party however it really bring me some question if this one do go through...

Q1, who should be trade out base on our need than Memphis want...

Jose+Klenzia should be first priority to send out other than JJ and ED,we should try to protect 8th pick but if not at least get Memphis 25th back.
Memphis need free up cap space and 3 PT shooting so Jose and Klenzia are really go fit for them and if not adding ED to try to keep 8th pick.

bottom line if the trade not involve Jose then i would not consider twice about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Q2, what would be line-up if trade happen ,and is that enough to be consider a powerful upgrade?

Bayless/draft
DD/sign
Rudy Gay/JJ
AB/Amir J
JV/Aaron Gray

i like the upgrade in terms of scoring and perimeter defense(not what i want to be but still better than last year) but it still up to BC to sign free agent SG/SF who can shooting 3 ball like Iggy does( 35% to 40% are good enough)
and i don't know how Rudy and DD can't be co-exist but it more depend on how coach to adjust it.

but please don't bring Nash to this team as i already see how weak the defense this team will and bring Nash or Lin to this team will be disaster !!!


above all, i'm not object to this trade but don't get hyper on it because we really missing defensive pieces in SG/SF which will be big issue for us by not fixing it

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Old 06-14-2012, 05:10 PM   #205 (permalink)
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i was as hype as as others when i heard this trade rumor in the beginning...but it wasn't as pretty as it sounds like when i think twice

i don't want discuses Iggy's rumor because there is no way to get it done base on the asset we have(even if Phily's would accept DD or AB which they won't)

Gay's trade is more realistic for both party however it really bring me some question if this one do go through...

Q1, who should be trade out base on our need than Memphis want...

Jose+Klenzia should be first priority to send out other than JJ and ED,we should try to protect 8th pick but if not at least get Memphis 25th back.
Memphis need free up cap space and 3 PT shooting so Jose and Klenzia are really go fit for them and if not adding ED to try to keep 8th pick.

bottom line if the trade not involve Jose then i would not consider twice about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Q2, what would be line-up if trade happen ,and is that enough to be consider a powerful upgrade?

Bayless/draft
DD/sign
Rudy Gay/JJ
AB/Amir J
JV/Aaron Gray

i like the upgrade in terms of scoring and perimeter defense(not what i want to be but still better than last year) but it still up to BC to sign free agent SG/SF who can shooting 3 ball like Iggy does( 35% to 40% are good enough)
and i don't know how Rudy and DD can't be co-exist but it more depend on how coach to adjust it.

but please don't bring Nash to this team as i already see how weak the defense this team will and bring Nash or Lin to this team will be disaster !!!


above all, i'm not object to this trade but don't get hyper on it because we really missing defensive pieces in SG/SF which will be big issue for us by not fixing it
Assuming Jose has to be part of the deal to make sense for us isn't accurate... though if he's not, I'd suggest Amir's contract would have to be.
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Assuming Jose has to be part of the deal to make sense for us isn't accurate... though if he's not, I'd suggest Amir's contract would have to be.
Why is that, when we have that nice fat amnesty provision just sitting there? Sending out salary should not be a concern.
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Old 06-14-2012, 05:31 PM   #207 (permalink)
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Assuming Jose has to be part of the deal to make sense for us isn't accurate... though if he's not, I'd suggest Amir's contract would have to be.
Jose's 10M expiring contract is exactly what Memphis want...unless the new owner sell all his facebook share in the first day of IPO
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Why is that, when we have that nice fat amnesty provision just sitting there? Sending out salary should not be a concern.
Just saying, we could make a deal for him without having to send out Jose.... it shouldn't be a dealbreaker if they said no to Jose.
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Just saying, we could make a deal for him without having to send out Jose.... it shouldn't be a dealbreaker if they said no to Jose.
For sure - but we wouldn't need to send out Amir either. We can use our capspace in the deal (which is probably ideal for Memphis), then free up more by amnestying one of Calderon, Kleiza, or Amir if we have a big free agent signing lined up.
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For sure - but we wouldn't need to send out Amir either. We can use our capspace in the deal (which is probably ideal for Memphis), then free up more by amnestying one of Calderon, Kleiza, or Amir if we have a big free agent signing lined up.
see, this is why you're the cap guy! I suppose the amnesty is plausible, though the fact that we haven't seen it used all that much makes me think it's not very likely.
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see, this is why you're the cap guy! I suppose the amnesty is plausible, though the fact that we haven't seen it used all that much makes me think it's not very likely.
Correct me if I'm wrong but it's not used all that much cause it doesn't make a difference to a teams bottom line - unless it's used by a team on a player to get under the luxury tax. Since a team is on the hook regardless of the amnesty provision then the premise for the argument that a team will amnesty a player to save money is incorrect. In the case of Gay DanH is correct, we can adsorb Gay's contract without sending anyone back which would be ideal for Memphis though not practical for the Raps - the Raps would have to release a number of players to have their cap holds taken off to make that work. I would rather send someone back and even a future pick to make that deal with Gay work.

Still, between the 2 I'd rather have AI.
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I just don't get thus love for AI?
Gay is hands down the better player...yes AI might play better d now.
But with Casey in the fold Gay has more potential to be a Scotty Pippen type player than ever!

AI or Gay "Pippen"

I'll take Gay any day!

(please exuse the pun, even though there is nothing wrong with being gay in my books)
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I just don't get thus love for AI?
Gay is hands down the better player...yes AI might play better d now.
But with Casey in the fold Gay has more potential to be a Scotty Pippen type player than ever!

AI or Gay "Pippen"

I'll take Gay any day!

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I'd rather have AI cause what he does defensively Gay doesn't. AI has a better 3 pt shot, better apg and is a leader. Things the Raps need. Gay is a great player but not worth that money for the skillset that he would bring. The Grizz may trade him cause when he is on the floor the spacing is terrible - between Mayo or Allen/Gay/Gasol/Randolph you have no 3 pt shooting except from Conley.
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I just don't get thus love for AI?
Gay is hands down the better player...yes AI might play better d now.
But with Casey in the fold Gay has more potential to be a Scotty Pippen type player than ever!

AI or Gay "Pippen"

I'll take Gay any day!

(please exuse the pun, even though there is nothing wrong with being gay in my books)
AI's game is more comparable to Pippen than Rudy's game. Just stop.
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I'd rather have AI cause what he does defensively Gay doesn't. AI has a better 3 pt shot, better apg and is a leader. Things the Raps need. Gay is a great player but not worth that money for the skillset that he would bring. The Grizz may trade him cause when he is on the floor the spacing is terrible - between Mayo or Allen/Gay/Gasol/Randolph you have no 3 pt shooting except from Conley.
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this is pretty interesting article that i found

Why Trade Rudy Gay | 3SOB.com -- A Memphis Grizzlies Fan Blog
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What are you confused about? There is no 3 pt threat on the floor for the Grizz. The Grizz need what the Raps do, a defensive SF that can shoot the 3 to spread the floor for Gasol/Randolph and open lanes for the back court to drive.
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What are you confused about? There is no 3 pt threat on the floor for the Grizz. The Grizz need what the Raps do, a defensive SF that can shoot the 3 to spread the floor for Gasol/Randolph and open lanes for the back court to drive.
We must be watching different league or something, because last time i checked both Mayo and Gay are a threat from 3pt
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We must be watching different league or something, because last time i checked both Mayo and Gay are a threat from 3pt
I don't agree that 31% from Gay is a real threat from the outside. Mayo is somewhat better at 36% but neither strikes fear in any team as they are way to streaky from the perimeter. So I agree, we must be watching different leagues.
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I don't agree that 31% from Gay is a real threat from the outside. Mayo is somewhat better at 36% but neither strikes fear in any team as they are way to streaky from the perimeter. So I agree, we must be watching different leagues.
yea i agree that % is not very impressive, but no team would leave them open at the 3 because they are still a threat.. Hell people in the RF say that Bargs is a good 3pt shooter so saying that Mayo and Gay are not, is a blasphemy.
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