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jeffb 02-28-2012 12:50 PM

ESPN: Raps should look at Jose for Harris + pick
 
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2. The Toronto Raptors trade PG Jose Calderon to the Utah Jazz for PG Devin Harris and a future pick



Why the teams should make this trade: Calderon has had a nice seven-year career with the Raptors, but at 30 he might not be in the team's future. Head coach Dwane Casey is all about defense and Harris would provide an upgrade over Calderon.



On the other hand, Calderon (13.6 ppg, 10.2 apg in the past 10 games) would be tremendous running the Utah offense with big men Al Jefferson and Paul Millsap. He is one of the best assist-to-turnover ratio point guards in the NBA, whereas Harris has proven to be a bad fit for the Jazz, averaging just 9.1 ppg and 4.5 apg, the lowest numbers he has had since his early days in Dallas.


NBA - Five trade ideas that could have a big impact - ESPN

moremilk 02-28-2012 01:23 PM

if harris doesn't have too many years left, might be worth it, their pick will be decent this year.

jeffb 02-28-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 620571)
if harris doesn't have too many years left, might be worth it, their pick will be decent this year.

He expires after next season @ 8.5Mil

powerfulpanda 02-28-2012 01:25 PM

when rebuilding its all about picks. like the cavs last year trading mo williams for baron and his horrible contract. but they ended up getting the 1st overall pick with that trade.

Dutches 02-28-2012 01:27 PM

I would at least consider this. I don't know if Devin can do what Jose's doing now though...

moremilk 02-28-2012 01:28 PM

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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 620574)
when rebuilding its all about picks. like the cavs last year trading mo williams for baron and his horrible contract. but they ended up getting the 1st overall pick with that trade.

bingo ...
and harris is a much better player than baron and he might actually be a better fit here short term


long term I wouldn't touch him, he's all about quickness and he's basically losing it fast.

Snooch 02-28-2012 01:32 PM

brutal trade for toronto.

period


Better player, Jose by a long shot.

the difference in contracts is 2 million next season. for the production level its a great deal.

And the pnly add in is a future pick?

Maybe for the picks THIS year of Utahs(12th)


had to add, espn say that Jose is a better player better numbers, would be a great fit on utah as well, yet expect the raps to trade him for Harris and a future pick. ridiculous.

BballWatcher 02-28-2012 01:49 PM

Believe it or not, Jose is only 5 months older than Devin. I thought he was 1-2 years older.

It's funny because as recently as last year, the Jazz would not even consider this deal - Devin's been a stud PG for 5 straight years now. However, he's having a really bad season this year, and Earl Watson is playing similar minutes to him (sort of a TJ Ford/Jose Calderon situation).

I would strongly consider this deal if only because of Jose's tendency to get hamstring injuries and Devin's durability. If Jose was healthy, I love his ability to pass the ball and get teammates involved. However, considering the fact that he's had something like 4 hamstring injuries, I think a Jose for Devin + pick trade is a very interesting proposition. It gives us a much better PG defender.

Imagine next year our lineup could be something like Harris/DeRozan/Chandler/Bargnani/Jonas with Bayless, Davis, Johnson, Johnson, Gray, and a high pick off the bench. That's a serviceable young roster with young pieces that can be moved in other deals.

DanH 02-28-2012 01:53 PM

No for me. They don't have a pick to trade. They can't trade this year's pick because they've already traded it. They can't trade next year's pick because this year's pick is protected with a condition that next year's might be traded instead.

All they can trade is the GSW pick, which is top 7 protected, and they look like a very late lottery team. We can get more for Jose.

Snooch 02-28-2012 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DanH (Post 620588)
No for me. They don't have a pick to trade. They can't trade this year's pick because they've already traded it. They can't trade next year's pick because this year's pick is protected with a condition that next year's might be traded instead.

All they can trade is the GSW pick, which is top 7 protected, and they look like a very late lottery team. We can get more for Jose.

when did they trade this years pick?

MikeToronto 02-28-2012 02:04 PM

None of the deals suggested for Jose so far is appealing in the slightest.

Acie 02-28-2012 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Snooch (Post 620589)
when did they trade this years pick?


In 2010, for Al Jefferson.

Shifty.py 02-28-2012 02:29 PM

One argument is that Calderon is old and will decline?
Harris is only one year younger and is not getting any better.

box92 02-28-2012 03:32 PM

I do not really like this

0nekhmer 02-28-2012 04:43 PM

I would much rather grab a guy like paul george, kyle lowry, chase budinger, roy hibbert, andray blatch along with a first pick. And absorb some other contract for a jose + butler deal lol

pzabby 02-28-2012 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nekhmer (Post 620701)
I would much rather grab a guy like paul george, kyle lowry, chase budinger, roy hibbert, andray blatch along with a first pick. And absorb some other contract for a jose + butler deal lol

So would every gm in the nba but no gm on the other end would do it

Admiral 02-28-2012 05:03 PM

if this is 1 trade in a chain of moves to happen in the next season or so and harris is only in as a fill in for a future star PG, then i'm all for this, getting an extra pick and useable in trades is a good thing, and the team isn't going anywhere anyways
as long as harris is not what BC has in mind as our future starting PG

creative1mm 02-28-2012 05:42 PM

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if this is 1 trade in a chain of moves to happen in the next season or so and harris is only in as a fill in for a future star PG, then i'm all for this, getting an extra pick and useable in trades is a good thing, and the team isn't going anywhere anyways
as long as harris is not what BC has in mind as our future starting PG
I agree

Bargn88 02-28-2012 06:37 PM

Harris sucks, I would rather keep Calderon and let him play his contract out, UNLESS a deal comes along that completely rocks BC's mind.

With a healthy AB, JV coming over, and Calderon playing at a high level, I see good things happening next year.

If we moved Calderon, in order to make room and a pitch for Steve Nash, then I might consider it.

moremilk 02-28-2012 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Snooch (Post 620578)
brutal trade for toronto.

period


Better player, Jose by a long shot.

the difference in contracts is 2 million next season. for the production level its a great deal.

And the pnly add in is a future pick?

Maybe for the picks THIS year of Utahs(12th)


had to add, espn say that Jose is a better player better numbers, would be a great fit on utah as well, yet expect the raps to trade him for Harris and a future pick. ridiculous.

utah will pick high this year, probably around 10th. In this draft, that's almost guaranteed to net you a better player than jose (unless we botch it).And for 1/5th of the money.


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