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Old 07-24-2012, 04:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The way I see it;

Sure Bets

Miami
Boston
NYK
NJN


Possibility of a let-down - but not likely

CHI
INDI


Experience being in the Hunt

ATL
PHI
MIL


Hoping to be in the Hunt

Detroit
Toronto
Washington


No Chance

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Charlotte


Toronto's chances are going to depend a large part on how they take care of business against the bad teams. They need to get sweeps against the likes of Charlotte and Cleveland and the worst of the West.

Absolute best case scenario 6th, worst case scenario 12th.

If we finish 11th or 12th, B.C. won't be back.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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chicago is one injury away from being in deep trouble, especially since they are losing so much depth. There are going to be a lot of beatable teams in the east on a night to night basis. Toronto needs to make the most of their depth to get the job done.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:50 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I could see Chicago finishing as a lower seed, or even missing the playoffs. Deng, Boozer and Noah are good. But they need Rose to make that push.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:52 PM   #24 (permalink)
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yeah - I had Chicago lower and then moved them up. Start of the season will be key for them, if it doesn't go well I could see them throwing in the white towel well before Rose is even thinking about being back.
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Old 07-24-2012, 04:58 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I also really don't think the Knicks are a shoe in for the playoffs. They are at best in that "experienced with the hunt" group.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:10 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I disagree - with the vets they added, I don't think they can miss this year. Kidd, Camby and Thomas are really going to stabilize their play and they have great scoring from the wings and solid defensive players in Shumpert and Brewer.

Unless they have a slew of injuries - I don't see how they could perform any worse than last season.

Kidd/Felton
Shumpert/Brewer/Smith
Melo/Novak
Stoudamire/Kurt Thomas
Chandler/Camby
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:13 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I also really don't think the Knicks are a shoe in for the playoffs. They are at best in that "experienced with the hunt" group.
It's impossible to miss it for them IMO. They have too much talent. Talent can still get you in the playoffs. They just don't have the heart to contend.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:14 PM   #28 (permalink)
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MIA, BOS, IND, NY, BKN are the only shoe ins for the playoffs right now. Everyone else has big questions and no guarantees.

Chicago had trouble scoring vs better teams when Rose was playing, now they have Hinrich who looked like a shell of himself last year, and they lost all of their bench except Gibson. I think they're likely to fall out of the playoff picture with the team they have now, unless Boozer goes back to being 20+10 and Noah takes his game to another level. I dont think they're going to bring Rose back next year either so late in the season.

ATL PHI and MIL are all in no mans land as franchises at the moment. ATL I think will struggle scoring even moreso without JJ which is scary in itself. PHI is starting Kwame Brown and Spencer Hawes in the frontcourt, and I still have no idea what the hell MIL was thinking with their all chucker backcourt. But I think out of the group, MIL has the most talent and is the most likely to make the playoffs. I think PHI is going to move Iggy, and depending on the direction they go(if I was them I'd look to trade for picks and or a young player) I can see them falling out of the race. And I dont think ATL has enough talent overall as of right now.

DET CHA and CLE are all in the same boat. They're all too young and dont have enough good veteran players to make the playoffs, though I think CLE has the best shot if Waiters is any good, Irving becomes elite(likely), and Thompson gets better next year.

I put us and WAS in the same boat, as both teams have a lot of good young talent(Wall/Beal/Seraphin) mixed with some nice vets they picked up(Nene/Okafor/Ariza). If both teams develop chemistry early and the young guys show out early in the year then both have a good chance of moving up to 5th-7th seed area.

ORL is a complete wildcard. If they happen to keep Dwight the entire year, and he doesnt VC them, then they're still a playoff team, but the likelyhood of them keeping him is small.

So all in all, we have a good shot at making the playoffs this year if Val comes in and makes an impact right away, Lowry looks like he did before his injury, and we continue to play the defence we did last season. I actually feel more optomistic after finally looking at the East.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:19 PM   #29 (permalink)
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Raptors finishing last in the Atlantic is much more realistic than us making the playoffs, imo.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:28 PM   #30 (permalink)
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I disagree - with the vets they added, I don't think they can miss this year. Kidd, Camby and Thomas are really going to stabilize their play and they have great scoring from the wings and solid defensive players in Shumpert and Brewer.

Unless they have a slew of injuries - I don't see how they could perform any worse than last season.

Kidd/Felton
Shumpert/Brewer/Smith
Melo/Novak
Stoudamire/Kurt Thomas
Chandler/Camby
Their name values are high, but whether they can collaborate each other? That is the real question. If Melo&Amare duo can produce some synergy in each game, then they are definitely considered as a championship contender.
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Old 07-24-2012, 05:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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They looked really, really bad for stretches last year.

Now, I'm not saying I think they will miss the playoffs - but I am saying that they are not a shoe in.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:45 PM   #32 (permalink)
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The knicks are finally going to get a nice full long season together with training camp and all of that. they have woodson for the whole year. Felton and Amare have played great together. they've added some solid vets, Amare is healthy, Melo is playing great in olympics. this team is a shoe in for the playoffs.
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Old 07-24-2012, 07:54 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I honestly think the raps will make the playoffs, or compete till the very end for a spot in this coming season
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:05 PM   #34 (permalink)
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the only way we make the playoffs is if the stars align for us.
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:11 PM   #35 (permalink)
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the only way we make the playoffs is if the stars align for us.
Meh, beyond the top 6 it's up for grabs. We were 12th on defense last season and with one of the better defensive PG's in the league starting we should be at the very least in the same area, possibly top 10. We need to improve offensively which on paper we seem to have done AND STAY HEALTHY. If we're healthy we should be in the mix for th 7-8th seed. If BC can make a deal during the season for that coveted SF by the deadline it would make a huge difference depending on who it is. A lot of this hinges on Fields and if he can do what he did in his rookie year which would lessen the urgency for that SF and allow us to maybe wait until next summer. The other thing on our side is the fact that we have a very good coach which gives me some confidence. I don't think it's that dyer that we need the "stars to align". We're better than last years team. And that's a start.

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Old 07-25-2012, 01:20 PM   #36 (permalink)
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the only way we make the playoffs is if the stars align for us.
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Old 07-25-2012, 10:00 PM   #37 (permalink)
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They looked really, really bad for stretches last year.

Now, I'm not saying I think they will miss the playoffs - but I am saying that they are not a shoe in.
The only problem is that Miami, Brooklyn, Boston, Indy, Chicago, and THREE of Atl, Mil, Tor, Philly or Wash would have to finish ahead of them. I guess that's possible (which is your point) but it seems very unlikely.

I will thoroughly enjoy the media firestorm coming out of NY if that happens though.
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:34 AM   #38 (permalink)
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I think spots 6 - 11 are all going to be pretty close (with Miami, Chicago, Boston, Brooklyn, and Indiana pretty much guaranteed the top 5 spots). Depending on injuries and player movement, we have a shot to get in. It will take some luck on our part, but it's definitely not impossible.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:33 AM   #39 (permalink)
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The Knicks are horrible. The only reason they made playoffs last year was because of Lin bringing their record up +9 during Linsanity. It was a fire sale over there and they only got older, and dumber. Shump is out for the majority of the season so their backcourt has:
Felton/Kidd
Brewer/Smith

That's just brutal. Don't get me started with Camby and Kurt Thomas lol.

If Amare still looks lost and Melo keeps playing iso-Melo (which he will cus of Woodson), they won't get anywhere.
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The Knicks are horrible. The only reason they made playoffs last year was because of Lin bringing their record up +9 during Linsanity. It was a fire sale over there and they only got older, and dumber. Shump is out for the majority of the season so their backcourt has:
Felton/Kidd
Brewer/Smith

That's just brutal. Don't get me started with Camby and Kurt Thomas lol.

If Amare still looks lost and Melo keeps playing iso-Melo (which he will cus of Woodson), they won't get anywhere.

Knicks are a playoff team. It's just a matter of whether it's 5-6-7.
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