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Old 08-01-2013, 11:05 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, the Heat get C- and the 76ers get an A, so it's not about the playoffs.

The Raptors get a D+ for staying stuck in that playoff bubble land. But they don't get an F- because they made a management change and traded Bargnani.

I guess it could be C, but clearly it's not a bad offseason and it's not a miraculously great offseason. It's somewhere in the middle. D+, C+, C-, whatever.
Philly gets an A because they have a clear plan and is executing it. We on the other hand are in limbo to a degree with a less clear plan. Wait and see approach is often frowned upon in the media unless you're a contender already.
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Philly gets an A because they have a clear plan and is executing it. We on the other hand are in limbo to a degree with a less clear plan. Wait and see approach is often frowned upon in the media unless you're a contender already.
Raps are playing for a first round exit in the playoffs. is that not clear?

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You could make a solid argument that we've gotten worse and at best either have remained the same or taken a small step back. I kind of see the grade right on.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:44 AM   #24 (permalink)
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You could make a solid argument that we've gotten worse and at best either have remained the same or taken a small step back. I kind of see the grade right on.
What would that argument be?
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:49 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I'm not seeing how we could have gotten worse. This team is objectively better than it was going into last season. Just not THAT much better.

Of course, I've been horribly wrong before.
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Old 08-01-2013, 11:56 AM   #26 (permalink)
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You could make a solid argument that we've gotten worse and at best either have remained the same or taken a small step back. I kind of see the grade right on.
I'm curious as well since at worst the team has stability, cohesiveness, the same starting 5 and a slightly deeper and certainly more versatile bench. The starting 5 are developing lead by JV plus 2 of the starters are playing for big paydays. Throw in a coach that was obviously interfered with and that seems like a recipe for improvement. Is all this enough to compete, well we'll see the first 2 months but I strongly believe so, just not enough to go deep into the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong - I'm hoping I am.

Not sure what possible argument could be made to say the team is worse.
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Old 08-01-2013, 12:16 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I'm curious as well since at worst the team has stability, cohesiveness, the same starting 5 and a slightly deeper and certainly more versatile bench. The starting 5 are developing lead by JV plus 2 of the starters are playing for big paydays. Throw in a coach that was obviously interfered with and that seems like a recipe for improvement. Is all this enough to compete, well we'll see the first 2 months but I strongly believe so, just not enough to go deep into the playoffs. Maybe I'm wrong - I'm hoping I am.

Not sure what possible argument could be made to say the team is worse.
There is no argument to say we're worse imo.
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There is no argument to say we're worse imo.
There is an argument to say that we stand less of a chance to make the postseason though. Other teams getting better is one argument.
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There is an argument to say that we stand less of a chance to make the postseason though. Other teams getting better is one argument.
Some got marginally better and some got worse (Celtics, Philly)
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Some got marginally better and some got worse (Celtics, Philly)
yeah, but the ones that got better did so while we essentially stood pat. Also, there is a strong possibility that Boston is still better than us.
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yeah, but the ones that got better did so while we essentially stood pat. Also, there is a strong possibility that Boston is still better than us.
Strong? Mehh we'll see
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yeah, but the ones that got better did so while we essentially stood pat. Also, there is a strong possibility that Boston is still better than us.
That's a stretch. Rondo coming off an ACL injury? Olynyk with plantar fasciatis problems? Turned over a huge portion of their roster? Coach with no NBA experience? New system & new players? They may have the pieces in place, but it's tough to see it happening in year 1.
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Old 08-01-2013, 01:47 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Experience, Chemistry and Stability. Last year, we had a new starting point guard, a rookie starting at center, Amir replacing Bargnani at the starting line-up, and multiple small forwards until Rudy Gay arrived at the trade deadline. With one year (Lowry, Jonas) or half a year (Rudy) playing together, the players know their roles, and have played well together. Those teams who mave made big acquisitions or acquired new players, will take some time to adjust and build chemistry. Raptors are definitely a playoff team.

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Raptors are definitely a playoff team.
Yep just like the blue jays.

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Yep just like the blue jays.

As i said before, new players with significant roles take time to build chemistry. Josh Smith, Bynum, Millsap, Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack with all those bubble teams in the East will take time to gel. Miami Heat lost to an inferior Mavericks team in the finals.
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As i said before, new players with significant roles take time to build chemistry. Josh Smith, Bynum, Millsap, Brandon Knight, Jarret Jack with all those bubble teams in the East will take time to gel. Miami Heat lost to an inferior Mavericks team in the finals.
I don't think you understand what a training camp does for chemistry, it's not like those guys are going to be meeting each other for the first time ever when the season opens. And we haven't really had much more time to develop chemistry than they have, this club playing 500 ball immediately when gay got here proves that either chemistry isn't a big deal or it develops much faster than you'd think.

And Dirk was literally Zeus in those playoffs

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I don't think you understand what a training camp does for chemistry, it's not like those guys are going to be meeting each other for the first time ever when the season opens. And we haven't really had much more time to develop chemistry than they have, this club playing 500 ball immediately when gay got here proves that either chemistry isn't a big deal or it develops much faster than you'd think.

And Dirk was literally Zeus in those playoffs
Ask the Lakers about chemistry. In the first year in Miami, you had two alpha dogs trying to gel and close games. The last two years, they know its Lebron's team. Sometimes, it takes time for teams to gel and find their identity. It took a few years of hard losses, before the Bulls, Pistons and Rockets won multiple championships in the 1990's. The only team that came together right away and won a championship was the Celtics with KG, Pierce, and Allen. Chemistry and the development of core players playing together several years (stability) is a huge factor.
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I don't think you understand what a training camp does for chemistry, it's not like those guys are going to be meeting each other for the first time ever when the season opens. And we haven't really had much more time to develop chemistry than they have, this club playing 500 ball immediately when gay got here proves that either chemistry isn't a big deal or it develops much faster than you'd think.

And Dirk was literally Zeus in those playoffs
I don't think you understand what a training camp is for. You're talking about liking somebody, that happens quickly, you do or you don't. Your mind makes that up in about 30 seconds after you meet someone new regardless if you're conscious of that or not.

What I saw in the Raptors play after Gay came over verifies that. The improved play was his excitement of a trade and everyone liking each other right off the bat and let's face it, Gay is still a talent and our best player since Bosh. That equals a bump in play all around on every bodies part.

RAPMAN is correct in calling it chemistry as these guys need time to learn to play together - not just 'like' playing together. The chemistry on the court is about when players start to see the nuances, the specific looks, the body language, knowing where others like to play, knowing when a team mate is struggling, having that closeness where you can talk to a team mate to get his shit together or yours, etc. THAT chemistry does not happen right away. All of that chemistry comes from practicing together without the stress of in game competition - hence the training camp (one of the reasons anyways).
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