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Old 07-29-2013, 09:06 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Exactly? Um, I would not go that far.
+1 With all due respect, not even close.


Lowry is a good PG but his explosiveness and athleticism isn't even close to Westbrooks'. Heck, he still needs to prove he can hold a starter job in this league or he may find himself bouncing around on 1-2 year deals.
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:12 PM   #22 (permalink)
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This was posted at RealGm by pbj. No link was posted, does anyone have access to ESPN Insider?

According to an ESPN Insider article, Lowry is projected this season to the be the 8th best PG ranked by Wins Above Replacement Player.

1. Paul
2. Westbrook
3. Irving
4. Curry
5. Williams
6. Conley
7. Rose
8. Lowry
9. Lawson
10. Lillard



Ranking 11-15: Walker, Wall, Parker, Calderon, and Rubio.
And where the hell is Rondo?
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Old 07-29-2013, 09:16 PM   #23 (permalink)
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And where the hell is Rondo?
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Also: Rajon Rondo's existing injury limits his forecast to 48 games and a 4.7 WARP. It's an uncertain process with guys coming off serious injuries, but the one-year anniversary of his knee surgery isn't until Feb. 12. With a full projection of games played, Rondo's winning percentage would have landed him between Lawson and Lillard in the rankings.
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Seems about right as long as he plays his ass off.
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:23 PM   #25 (permalink)
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So even a healthy rondo would have ranked 10th behind Lowry and Lawson? Either the projections are off or the stat sucks.
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So even a healthy rondo would have ranked 10th behind Lowry and Lawson? Either the projections are off or the stat sucks.
it's one stat, they wouldn't be saying lowry is better than rondo overall. besides, these things can't be taken seriously.
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Old 07-29-2013, 11:26 PM   #27 (permalink)
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So if Win% = ORTG'14 / (DRTG'14 + ORTG'14)

Lose% = DRTG'14 / (ORTG'14 + DRTG'14)
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it's one stat, they wouldn't be saying lowry is better than rondo overall. besides, these things can't be taken seriously.
Uh the stat is in fact gauging a player's overall contribution to wins, so yeah that's exactly what it'd be saying. I do agree they can't be taken seriously though. From what I gather this isn't actually a stat but a projected stat? Somebody at ESPN musta been bored.
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Old 07-30-2013, 01:53 AM   #29 (permalink)
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Ugh i still cringe looking at my Ross jersey knowing i should of got Lowry's instead. Loved the guy in Houston, no pg in the league plays defense like this guy i mean Kyle Lowry is the type of player you don't want to play against even on his worst days. Sneaky, cold blooded, never know what he is gonna do, can shoot from deep or beat you off the dribble even take you to the post. He is one of the few strong defensive players in the league who can get you quick buckets, I always figured he was underrated playing for the rockets. I Thought he would of done more for us last season especially after the hot start but being out of shape got him injured...Lowry must have a better season and become one of the few consistent players on our roster. That is if we are making playoffs next season.


oh and about the whole gambling thing. Call it what you want but i call it effort.

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Old 07-30-2013, 03:00 AM   #30 (permalink)
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So if Win% = ORTG'14 / (DRTG'14 + ORTG'14)

Lose% = DRTG'14 / (ORTG'14 + DRTG'14)
wtf r u mathing about
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Old 07-30-2013, 03:00 AM   #31 (permalink)
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He's ranked 8th ???
Man... the NBA is really suckin' at PG right now.
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Old 07-30-2013, 08:45 AM   #32 (permalink)
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He's ranked 8th ???
Man... the NBA is really suckin' at PG right now.
He's not ranked 8th
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Kinda early to put Irving at No.3, we'll see if he lives up to the expectations this season
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Kinda early to put Irving at No.3, we'll see if he lives up to the expectations this season

They're not saying he's the 3rd best PG in the NBA. This is one stat
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i was listening to a blue jays talk one afternoon and some guy called in and asked mike wilner to explain what WAR meant. Bike Fillner said something to the effect of "i could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand it." The guy persisted though, and mike made pathetic attempts to explain it which, inevitably, gave him enough time to secretly look up the definition online and attempt to save face.

point being i loathe bike fillner
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i was listening to a blue jays talk one afternoon and some guy called in and asked mike wilner to explain what WAR meant. Bike Fillner said something to the effect of "i could explain it to you, but you wouldn't understand it." The guy persisted though, and mike made pathetic attempts to explain it which, inevitably, gave him enough time to secretly look up the definition online and attempt to save face.

point being i loathe bike fillner
Wilner is a douche. Some guy called in yesterday on Blair's show and suggested that Bautista and Wilner should be traded together. I had a chuckle.
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Lowry is ahead of Tony Parker in ANY ranking?
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Lowry is ahead of Tony Parker in ANY ranking?
Yes. This one.
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Lowry is ahead of Tony Parker in ANY ranking?
Unless you place more value in rebounding than in scoring, effiency, playmaking combined, he shouldn't be.
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Unless you place more value in rebounding than in scoring, effiency, playmaking combined, he shouldn't be.
Nobody in their right minds thinks Lowry is better than Parker. But isolated stats like these can surprise, are something to discuss but not to be taken to seriously.

When that article came out a couple weeks that stated the starting 5 of Lowry/DD/Gay/Amir/JV was the 5th best starting 5 in point differential did anyone think that it meant we were the 5th best starting unit, no.
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