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jeffb 04-19-2012 12:18 AM

ESPN: Draft fits for the Raptors
 
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The Toronto Raptors, believe it or not, had about as perfect a season as they could have hoped for, outside of becoming a serious contender, that is.

First and foremost, first-year coach Dwayne Casey proved to be a keeper, convincing his players to defend with better purpose and passion. Perhaps only the New York Knicks improved as much on defense from last season, and this improvement in Toronto will be a strong foundation moving forward.

Then they watched as their top pick from last June's draft, Jonas Valanciunas, proved to be the exciting prospect they had hoped for, as he played well last summer and through his current season in Europe. And all this happened while the Raptors kept losing games, assuring them of a very high draft pick in the 2012 draft. Indeed, this team obviously still has a lot of needs. But it looks like the Raptors should be able to fill an important spot no matter where they pick in the lottery come May 30. This is a team that is rapidly acquiring and developing talent.
NBA Draft - Toronto Raptors and Washington Wizards team needs - ESPN

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Needs: Athleticism on the front line, perimeter shooters on the wings, guard depth

The obvious pick: Anthony Davis

Kind of fits: Andre Drummond

Bad fit: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

Kidd-Gilchrist would give them much-needed athleticism and energy but his poor perimeter shooting will not likely allow him to stretch defenses for some time, if ever. However, let's be clear, Kidd-Gilchrist would not be a disaterous pick. It's just that picking so high, the Raptors will have better choices available.

Perfect fit: Bradley Beal, Thomas Robinson

DeMar DeRozan is a good NBA scorer, but his lack of perimeter shooting and suspect defense warrants looking into a replacement, if it makes sense. It does with Beal, as he projects as an outstanding shooter and a very good scorer. He should become a better player than DeRozan in almost every other facet of the game. In fact, adding Beal would allow them to bring DeRozan off the bench, where he could end up being an excellent sixth man while still being a primary scorer. Both guys could even finish games together as Beal will be able to defend many small forwards thanks to his length and strength. Toronto can't go wrong with Robinson either, as he fills a huge need for athleticism on the front line with the perfect game for Casey -- tough and energetic and willing to fight and defend. He'd play major minutes as a rookie and improve the Raptors in his first season.

box92 04-19-2012 12:28 AM

Trob getting lots of minutes, and beal playing SF instead of demar? Cannot believe how dumb this article is, but I agree that we should draft Beal

MBailey85 04-19-2012 01:22 AM

I'd take a gamble on Austin Rivers if he's available...I think he'd fit well with our youth. I view him as a Russell Westbrook type of point guard for our system who'll be a dynamic playmaker.

Also Kendall Marshall would be a considerable selection,depending on where they land our who's available.

Toronto obviously needs help at the 3 but I don't believe in Harrison Barnes (he'll be equivalent to Marvin Williams who has quite turnt out to be what you hope for from a #2 overall pick) and I think Perry Jones the 3rd is risky as well.

The Raptors messed up by not taking Brandon Knight,I don't think they should pass up on a young point guard talent again.

jeffb 04-19-2012 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by @BaileysBlitz (Post 637240)
I'd take a gamble on Austin Rivers if he's available...I think he'd fit well with our youth. I view him as a Russell Westbrook type of point guard for our system who'll be a dynamic playmaker.

Also Kendall Marshall would be a considerable selection,depending on where they land our who's available.

Toronto obviously needs help at the 3 but I don't believe in Harrison Barnes (he'll be equivalent to Marvin Williams who has quite turnt out to be what you hope for from a #2 overall pick) and I think Perry Jones the 3rd is risky as well.

The Raptors messed up by not taking Brandon Knight,I don't think they should pass up on a young point guard talent again.


You would have prefered us taking Knight over JV knowing what we know now?

MBailey85 04-19-2012 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 637241)
You would have prefered us taking Knight over JV knowing what we know now?

Knight has had a decent rookie season (especially since the all star break)

I wouldn't doubt talent that comes from UK coached by John Calipari

There's reason to be excited about Jonas,but he hasn't even played a game yet so nothing is a lock. Big man generally take a while to develop in the NBA and sometimes they never pan out. I'm just hoping JV doesn't turn out to be an Alexander Radojovic or Greg Oden.

Knight,I think will have a great chance to have the best career of those players from that draft

Yes I would've to answer your question by the way. I know its all hindsight but the idea of taking a PF/C would be better in this draft because you hace Davis,Robinson & Sullinger all coming out. If we go for one of those three if available,it doesn't make much sense in my opinion when we already have ED (just needs more minutes but he's productive and young), Amir(I'd amnesty him but he's signed for a few years), Bargnani & Valencunias. They can always make trades thougb and I'm sure every team would be interested in any of those pieces

Windex 04-19-2012 02:58 AM

Yes. MKG is a bad fit because we're stacked at SF. Let's forget his D and getting to the basket...

carp 04-19-2012 10:48 AM

Beal is the best fit, especially if he's big enough to spend time at both wing spots.... but MKG would also be a very strong fit.... we'd need to invest in a shooter in that scenario.

INSIDER 04-19-2012 11:01 AM

i like Beal, but lets be honest, he is not big enough for the SF spot.
he'd be our SG - and we'd have to have DD come off the pine or be traded - which i'm not against either.

halphbreedballer 04-19-2012 11:19 AM

Lets just all hope we get the number 1 pick!

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 04-19-2012 11:20 AM

I would chose any of them over Robinson. Just don't think he's big enough to go that early. No really big on taking drummond either since we have a boatload of bigs and it appears he's a bit of a dick.

I must be the only that thinks Barnes is going to be a star.

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 637245)
Yes. MKG is a bad fit because we're stacked at SF. Let's forget his D and getting to the basket...

The voice of reason.

MikeToronto 04-19-2012 11:35 AM

Beal is 6'4", right? Small forward??? :confused2:

I didn't watch a lot of Robinson, but didn't particularly like what I saw during the Final Four games.

IGetAir 04-19-2012 11:36 AM

I don't like the fit of Drummond, I think we have enough bigs and definitely don't need another project. The same reasoning could be used for Robinson though I think he could be a good pick for another team.

I'm a fan of MKG, but I don't think he'll be available. Next would be Beal for me and I'm a huge fan, regardless of what would happen to Derozan.

Lastly I think this is the most likely scenario, we draft Harrison Barnes. I wouldnt be disappointed at all. He's a great shooter and all around player at the SF spot (great size). The knock on him was no progress and cannot create his own shot, but I think he can come into that and having Caldy will only help.

carp 04-19-2012 11:52 AM

Why worry about DD's minutes or starting spot? If Beal is available, or even the guy we take, they can play together as they both have good size for SG though both might be a little small for the SF spot. But look at Miami... they have Wade and Lebron at the 2/3, and still blow their mid-level each year on more wings in Miller and Battier. There are plenty of minutes available if both Beal and DD can play spot minutes, not major minutes, at the SF. Plenty of rotations have a smaller guy playing SF around the league.

MikeToronto 04-19-2012 11:53 AM

Once again, on Barnes - how is he better than James Johnson?

JDMtors 04-19-2012 11:53 AM

He brings a good point with MKG not be a great perimeter shooter and being a good fit for this team. We need players to spread the floor so we can have like 1/2 players who drive into the lane and its not clogged up. Hench NKY (Lin, Melo, Stoudamire and Chandler all strive when going to the bucket). As well imagine have Drummond at PF and JV at C that would be a pretty beastly twin tower if it pans out. Thus making Ed, Bargnani Expendable for something like Bargnani, Davis + 1st round pick for Gay +

carp 04-19-2012 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 637300)
Once again, on Barnes - how is he better than James Johnson?

he's a better shooter.

MikeToronto 04-19-2012 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 637303)
he's a better shooter.

I am too lazy to look at Barnes' stats, but how is comparing his college stats with JJ's NBA stats relevant? And considering JJ's shooting improvement this year, his superior build and his defensive prowess, I'd say he is the better player of the two.

IGetAir 04-19-2012 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 637300)
Once again, on Barnes - how is he better than James Johnson?

He's an amazing shooter. I think Barnes is picked on way too much whereas MKG isn't when there's holes in his game for sure.

I also read he was playing with a badly sprained ankle.
Before the injury at Wake Forest (through 21 games) Barnes was shooting 49% from the field. Afterwards, 39%. Before the injury, 45% from 3. Afterwards, 28%.

Just something to consider. I'm a huge fan of MKG, but I'd prefer Beal and Barnes over him for the Raptors.

DocHoliday99 04-19-2012 12:28 PM

I agree with the article about MKG and fitting in with the current Raps' roster. I would love him on the Raps but his terrible perimeter shooting would not go along well with DD's terrible perimeter shooting. Every team would just clog the lane and laugh as the Raps chuck shot after shot. However, I suspect the current roster won't stay that way :reporter:

If the Raps pulled a move like DD/2nd/next years pick for Mayo (as suggested) then I'd love for the Raps to draft MKG. Pick-up Goran (yah I'm stuck on that one now) and have Goran/Mayo/MKG/Bargs/JV.

I'm 100% in agreement about Beal. The more I read and watch the more I like. JC/Beal/need/Bargs/JV. DD should come off the bench or be traded in this situation. Carp beat me to it but the article was talking of Beal occassionally defending an SF if it matches up well.

carp 04-19-2012 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 637306)
I am too lazy to look at Barnes' stats, but how is comparing his college stats with JJ's NBA stats relevant? And considering JJ's shooting improvement this year, his superior build and his defensive prowess, I'd say he is the better player of the two.

Well, you're comparing a 25 year old to a 20 year old.... physically I think Barnes can get stronger, faster too. I wasn't comparing stats, and JJ scored in college too, but Barnes was better in college than JJ was. I like JJ and haven't been a fan of Barnes as some have, but Barnes still projects out better than JJ... maybe just more well rounded and not as able to make explosive plays, but likely with better BBIQ


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