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Old 04-21-2012, 02:59 PM   #61 (permalink)
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Rivers is ok but will not be a PG at the next level. Rivers reminds me of Mayo. He's decent but doesn't possess the court vision, ball handling skills or playmaking to be a PG or even be like Monta or Crawford. Second, Tyreke is not a SF. SAK are just messing up his game. Honestly, he's a SG. He has great size at SG, and possessess good skills for that position.

PS: In a lineup of Goran, Mayo/Rivers, Tyreke, Bargs, JonasV - Where is the rebounding going to come from? I am open to trading Bargs as he has only had what, one good 13-20 game stretch in 6 years. He still can't rebound and defend, he isn't the best athlete, can't handle the mins Casey will give him and you need a rebounding SF to make up for his lack thereof. Also, speaking of a good stretch of games, as much as we've all been enamoured with Goran, if Houston feels the same way about him and wants to resign him, we should trade for Lowry. He was basically Houston's all star, is pretty solid defensively, can dish and score. He can also rebound pretty well for a PG and would fit perfectly in Casey's system. Also, Lowry will make much much less $ than Goran will. Which is good as BC wants to preserve cap space.
I don't think anyone here said the Raps should draft rivers to be a pg...I would like him here as a SG which is why I like Goran so much - looks for others more than his own shot - and I thought it would be a nice 1-2. However saying that, IMO I think Rivers could develop into a pg - but not for awhile.

On a side note, drafting Marshall is not a bad idea and go for Mayo for the 2 (The raps need a shooter here to offset Marshall and thats not Tyreke or DD).

In either case, I would love it if the Raps could somehow get Iggy.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:01 PM   #62 (permalink)
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if he only gets 6mil i'd be surprised to say the least. i have to agree that 8mil is pobably more realistic.
Fair enough. A good PG that could be available, AND start, AND is relatively young? You're probably both right and he's worth at least 8 mil.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:07 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Why would we ever consider amnestying a good player like Calderon? Not only is he a solid PG, but he's an expiring contract, we could get something good for him at the deadline if nothing else. I really hope we hold on to him, get a starting PG, and have him come in as a backup PG. He'd be awesome in that role.

And in terms of the draft, pick the best player available regardless of position. If Robinson or Drummond are the bpa at our spot, pick them, and then we can make a trade later on.
JC isn't going to stay to be a back-up and I certainly hope he doesn't. He's very under rated around the league and saying that would I amnesty him? If I couldn't trade him and there was a potential to pick up a good young player then hell yes I would amnesty him. Whatever works best for the team. Besides I would rather see JC go on and have a chance at a title than piss what good few years he has left riding pine in TO. IMO he's earned that.
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Old 04-21-2012, 03:11 PM   #64 (permalink)
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I can only find one publication that has him that high, but I'm sure you're right and there some others that have him there too. I've seen him more in the 14-18 range in most of my research, which is where I'd be more comfortable taking a chance on him.

My opinion is based on no more than 5 games of his season, and I don't proclaim to be a professional scout; from a fan's point of view, I will be most displeased if our season of tankitude rewards us with Rivers.
I totally get where you're coming from and sorry, I was kinda being a dick. Though there are aspects with Rivers/Marshal/PJ3 that would help the Raps, I think this team is in too good of a position this year and next to let this opportunity for major improvement slip by - and push TO into another 'bout of mediocrity.
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Let's hope we don't pick that low. As it stands, worst we can do is 9th but there is a possibility to fall to 12th. I would like it if luck would favor the Raps this year, much like it did for the Cavs last year. I think we're about f'n do.
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Old 04-21-2012, 04:56 PM   #66 (permalink)
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I dunno. I guess I am always a bigger fan of something at least somewhat proven vs. something that has "the potential"...
Lol... then we would almost never draft a single playe with this logic.

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Draft Perry Jones..
Not even in the 2nd round. He can only ever be a bench player.

And the Rivers thing must be a joke.

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And the Rivers thing must be a joke.
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Old 04-21-2012, 11:50 PM   #68 (permalink)
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Not even in the 2nd round. He can only ever be a bench player.
Guys with PJ3's athleticism and length are rare - he's one of the most gifted athletes in the draft.

If Dwayne Casey thinks he can get PJ3 to play D, I'd draft him.

He could turn into a Shawn Marion at SF (rebounding, running the floor and defense), and playing him next to Bargnani would be a great fit, imho.
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Guys with PJ3's athleticism and length are rare - he's one of the most gifted athletes in the draft.

If Dwayne Casey thinks he can get PJ3 to play D, I'd draft him.

He could turn into a Shawn Marion at SF (rebounding, running the floor and defense), and playing him next to Bargnani would be a great fit, imho.
Show me one 6'11" outstanding player that starts at SF. How can he defend the smaller speedier guys and tell me how he can drive on them? And if he can't shoot 3s like Donyell Marshall then what does he do? He will be a niche piece as part of a rotation playing against the 2bd squad where he won't be exposed too bad. That's the best I would hope for.

PS And don't tell me he can start at PF cause he can't.

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Show me one 6'11" outstanding player that starts at SF. How can he defend the smaller speedier guys and tell me how he can drive on them? And if he can't shoot 3s like Donyell Marshall then what does he do? He will be a niche piece as part of a rotation playing against the 2bd squad where he won't be exposed too bad. That's the best I would hope for.

PS And don't tell me he can start at PF cause he can't.
There are plenty of guys at 6'9" and 6'10" that have had success at SF, what's an extra inch? And his height and length will give him an advantage in the post with almost every match up.

There aren't too many guys playing SF that are quicker than PJ3. His athleticism is the reason he can play SF in the NBA. If he bulks up he could move to PF, but he has the quickness to play on the perimeter. His work ethic and effort on the defensive end are his possible achilles heels. Not his quickness.

Also, not every good SF is a 3 point specialist. Like I said, he's a good fit for the Raptors, because we need someone to work hard rebounding, playing D and getting out in transition. We can already get good spacing in the offence with Bargnani at PF. And don't forget, Valanciunas also has good range for his position, though not yet out to the NBA 3 point line.

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In all seriousness, I do like Rivers in the mid-late lottery, Marshall in the 7-10, Beal at 6, Barnes at 4-6 and of course the top 3 as it stands. I do think that Rivers will be more than what the bashers have stated. BUT between Rivers/Marshall/Beal, if that's where the pick was, I would seriously consider trading it for OJ Mayo.
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I would not deal Beal for Mayo.
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I would not deal Beal for Mayo.
I would do it in a New York minute.
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Show me one 6'11" outstanding player that starts at SF. How can he defend the smaller speedier guys and tell me how he can drive on them? And if he can't shoot 3s like Donyell Marshall then what does he do? He will be a niche piece as part of a rotation playing against the 2bd squad where he won't be exposed too bad. That's the best I would hope for.

PS And don't tell me he can start at PF cause he can't.
Durant? lol
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I wouldn't deal neither Marshal or Beal for Mayo
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Then the question becomes, does Jones have the athleticism/quickness/IQ to defend starting 3s?

And does he have the shooting/ball handling/creativity to score against them?

I'd say no to both. Jones looks like a quality hybrid 3/4 role player off the bench unless he either bulks up and develops his game more towards the inside to become a 4, or REALLY works hard to become a 3. And its going to take a ridiculous amount of effort and work ethic for him to become a quality starting 3 in the league. Its a massive risk for anyone taking him.
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There are plenty of guys at 6'9" and 6'10" that have had success at SF, what's an extra inch? And his height and length will give him an advantage in the post with almost every match up.

There aren't too many guys playing SF that are quicker than PJ3. His athleticism is the reason he can play SF in the NBA. If he bulks up he could move to PF, but he has the quickness to play on the perimeter. His work ethic and effort on the defensive end are his possible achilles heels. Not his quickness.

Also, not every good SF is a 3 point specialist. Like I said, he's a good fit for the Raptors, because we need someone to work hard rebounding, playing D and getting out in transition. We can already get good spacing in the offence with Bargnani at PF. And don't forget, Valanciunas also has good range for his position, though not yet out to the NBA 3 point line.
What's the difference between an inch or two? I dunnoo...What's the difference between a step or two of the block or 2 tenths quicker in the forty? Lots.

Your 2nd paragraph is ridiculous.... there are a boatload quicker at SF, actually most of them. And I said don't tell me he can play PF since he hasn't and he can't and seriously its a complete unknown... so what do you do? He's not playing PF.

And I didn't say he needed to be a 3 poit specialtist? I think that's a negative.

The guy is a tweener and that's the problem.

And DURANT is 6'9" and just a weeee bit (sarcasm) quicker.
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Perry Jones would be lucky to be as good as Ersan.
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