ESPN: Derozan and Gay can't co-exist, more moves coming?
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However, Davis is too limited on offense to be a core player, and that's what the Raptors need. Core players. With little hope of attracting a top-tier free agent and no lottery pick in the offing for this summer, rolling the dice on someone like Gay via the trade market is about the only option Stefanski and Colangelo had to shake up Toronto's foundation. Expect that shake-up to continue, because right now the Raptors feature an odd roster.

It begins on the wing, where DeMar DeRozan is more or less a poor man's version of Gay. He's fun to watch in the open court and carries himself on offense like "the man," but he's a 22 percent career shooter from 3-point range and is headed for his fourth straight season with a WARP well below replacement value. This makes Toronto's decision to sign DeRozan to an early extension in October that much more of a head scratcher. He simply hasn't earned the four-year, $38 million deal he landed, and it doesn't even start until next season. Now you have to figure that DeRozan's trade value is nil, because teams generally aren't too anxious to pay $9.5 million per season for a below-replacement player with four years of no tangible progress.

Meanwhile, there is little hope that head coach Dwane Casey will find a Gay-DeRozan wing combo a tenable option. He still has promising rookie Terrence Ross on hand, and you can imagine him being a really nice fit alongside Gay. Ross has similar abilities in the transition game and can finish with explosive leaping ability. But Ross also blends those qualities with exciting potential as a long-range shooter, something DeRozan doesn't offer.

DeRozan might make sense as a designated off-the-bench gunner, but it's doubtful he'd be satisfied with such a role at the age of 23 after starting 255 of his first 267 NBA games. On top of all that, Casey still has Landry Fields around to be an awfully expensive fourth wing, and journeyman Alan Anderson, who this season has played better than any wing currently on Toronto's roster. Casey is a defensive coach and DeRozan has been better on that end, but even there Gay is the superior option. In the perimeter defense rankings we unveiled Tuesday, Gay didn't make the top 10, but ranks in 83rd percentile overall.
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Unless the aforementioned group comes together and clicks quickly, you can expect the Raptors to remain aggressive on the trade market, if not before next month's deadline then certainly during the summer. With Bargnani, Fields and Lowry all inked to the kind of cap-clogging middling contracts next season that you like to avoid, and Gay's massive deal now on board, a trade centered around Bargnani might be the only way for Toronto to make any further kind of meaningful change.

It's easy to nitpick on the acquisition of Gay, and it is kind of like putting finishing touches on a painting that's missing more than a few key strokes. Plus, there are more than a few contracts on Toronto's ledger that have pay-to-performance ratios which are a little … uncomfortable. But if the Raptors want to add impact talent, they've got to take chances. If you're going to roll the dice, you do it on a player with the upside of Rudy Gay

NBA - Raptors acquire Rudy Gay, but are more changes coming for Toronto? - ESPN

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Old 01-31-2013, 02:22 PM   #2 (permalink)
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coexist as first scoring options, no
coexist as part of ball sharing offense, where you have to guard all 5 players on the floor? Damn right
Lowry, Derozan, Gay, Bargnani, Johnson. Who do you leave open?
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Derozan isn't a gunner you bring off the bench, he can't shoot. They can coexist, Ross is the glue!
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DeRozan will be traded in the offseason
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Just imagine how angry JeffB would be if Derozan and Ross got traded before Bargnani..

Ross ain't going no where, but I could see Derozan being moved before Bargnani
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:33 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Just imagine how angry JeffB would be if Derozan and Ross got traded before Bargnani..

Ross ain't going no where, but I could see Derozan being moved before Bargnani
I'm fine with Derozan being traded, Ross is the beter fit beside Gay.
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:56 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Can we see them play together before saying they can't coexist?
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Old 01-31-2013, 02:59 PM   #8 (permalink)
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We have some time to experiment. But, ultimately, I think Ross does replace Derozan in the starting lineup because of his shooting (and defense).
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there's nothing that would indicate that they can't co-exist. so what if they're similar players, it's a big court with lots of minutes to be played and shots to be shared. even if they start stepping on each others toes, they'll learn to play with one another. they're both team orientated guys.
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Not being sarcastic, legitimate question: Can anyone come up with come examples of successful wing tandems that can't shoot from the outside?
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Any ones that don't include the best player in the NBA and another Hall of famer? Also keep in mind Lebron shooting 40% form 3 this year.
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and Gay shot 39% a couple of seasons ago
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Michael Jordan and Scottie Pippen the best 2-3 tandem ever couldn't shoot well from outside. :P
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and Gay shot 39% a couple of seasons ago
You're right, now that you've mentioned that it's a totally valid comparison.
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Hmmmmm..... is BC thinking of trying to pry Smith out of ATL for Bargs & DD perhaps?

Or Cousins from SAC?
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All in all the Raptors need someone that when blatantly fouled at the end of regulation will get the call.
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Hmmmmm..... is BC thinking of trying to pry Smith out of ATL for Bargs & DD perhaps?

Or Cousins from SAC?
That would be interesting. I'd greatly consider either.
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Hmmmmm..... is BC thinking of trying to pry Smith out of ATL for Bargs & DD perhaps?

Or Cousins from SAC?
I honestly think another big trade for a big is coming. He isn't done, not sure it'll be on that kind of level but something else is coming. Too bad it might be in the summer though.
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FFS they have an entire summer to work on an outside shot, it'll come!!! We'll be fine! Let's just play.
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