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jeffb 06-15-2011 05:19 PM

Espn: Best franchises in sports
 
Raps ahead of the Loafs? Surprising, but funny.

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"At the opposite end of the spectrum, the NFL’s Cincinnati Bengals (#122) and Washington Redskins (#121), were the two lowest-ranked teams in the Ultimate Standings, ranking lower than the NHL’s Toronto Maple Leafs (#120), the NBA’s Sacramento Kings (#119) and Minnesota Timberwolves (#118), Major League Baseball’s New York Mets (#117), the NBA’s Toronto Raptors (#116), the NHL’s Atlanta Thrashers (#115) and New York Islanders (#114), and the NBA’s Detroit Pistons (#113)."
http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/201...est_in_sports/

powerfulpanda 06-15-2011 05:34 PM

wow....tampa bay lightning number 2 and memphis grizzlies number 9
very surprised....

Dark Knight 06-15-2011 05:45 PM

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the NHL’s Atlanta Thrashers (#115)
Who? ;)

Claudius 06-15-2011 06:00 PM

That's not a very good number to be at.

Acie 06-15-2011 06:04 PM

Tampa Bay couldn't even give away tickets the year they were in the cup finals. :confused2:

fancylad 06-15-2011 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 548829)

surprising, but wrong. Well maybe i shouldn't say wrong, but i'll just say pointless.

Better how? Better when? Better why?


Sorry, but this formula they've concocted equals to a whole bunch of meaningless nothing.

Dutches 06-15-2011 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Acie (Post 548841)
Tampa Bay couldn't even give away tickets the year they were in the cup finals. :confused2:

thats cuz their fanbase perpetually dies off every year.

LX 06-15-2011 07:50 PM

It seems to be about how much value the fans get out of their teams, and I can't say it isn't a proper reflection kof that for both MLSE teams. Dismal, regardless of fan support, and good overall value.

jeffb 06-15-2011 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 548857)
surprising, but wrong. Well maybe i shouldn't say wrong, but i'll just say pointless.

Better how? Better when? Better why?


Sorry, but this formula they've concocted equals to a whole bunch of meaningless nothing.

Essentially it's about giving the fans a little more value for what they charge their fans. Basically, the Raptors tickets are quite a bit cheaper and the team has had a couple playoff appearances in the last 5 years vs much higher tickets and no playoffs in 7 years for the loafs. But really, the difference is negligible, since both teams blow and are run by the same ownership group. They were talking about this today on TSN radio and to a man they agreed with this. The Leafs for all the hype, the advantage of being a "hockey market" are one of the poorest run franchises in sports and i can't see anyone denying that, especially when you look at how much the fans get raped. Pretty appauling.

fancylad 06-15-2011 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 548883)
Essentially it's about giving the fans a little more value for what they charge their fans. Basically, the Raptors tickets are quite a bit cheaper and the team has had a couple playoff appearances in the last 5 years vs much higher tickets and no playoffs in 7 years for the loafs. But really, the difference is negligible, since both teams blow and are run by the same ownership group. They were talking about this today on TSN radio and to a man they agreed with this. The Leafs for all the hype, the advantage of being a "hockey market" are one of the poorest run franchises in sports and i can't see anyone denying that, especially when you look at how much the fans get raped. Pretty appauling.

blah blah blah. It really means nothing.

Leafs will be better than the raptors sooner.

jeffb 06-15-2011 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 548884)
blah blah blah. It really means nothing.

Leafs will be better than the raptors sooner.

I hope so, 7yrs into a rebuild. lol

Shit at some point it has to get better. And since the Raps just started rebuilding in the last year, if they turn it around quicker that would be pretty sad. Still don't change what a joke they've been for the las 40yrs.

Windex 06-15-2011 09:41 PM

Results and affordability have a lot to do with it and the Leafs are bad in both departments

griz are high up because it probably cost $30 to get near the court

Psi 06-16-2011 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Windex (Post 548890)
griz are high up because it probably cost $30 to get near the court

Agreed, however they're not the only ones.
My parents got 4th row seats in Orlando for 55$ last season.

Some teams just have dirt cheap tickets.

Superjudge 06-16-2011 01:22 PM

hilarious.
pretty useless article.

jeffb 06-16-2011 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 549021)
hilarious.
pretty useless article.

Also pretty accurate.

Dutches 06-16-2011 07:39 PM

If you ask a business consultant which team they would pick, they would just say whoever makes/is worth the most money. This list fails.

jeffb 06-16-2011 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Dutches (Post 549190)
If you ask a business consultant which team they would pick, they would just say whoever makes/is worth the most money. This list fails.

no it doesn't. this list isn't about who makes the most money.

fancylad 06-17-2011 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 548888)
I hope so, 7yrs into a rebuild. lol

lol? Burke has been with the Maple leafs for 3 years, so i don't know where you get your 7 years from. Meanwhile you're pretty much bragging about how good the raptors are comparitavely in light of the fact they were too were sucking not so much in a rebuild state, but also when they were 'going for it' (see Oneal, Turkoglu seasons). Conversely comparing the raptors to some other team playing some other sport has no bearing on anything that matters. It's a useless list that doesn't offer anything of worth to the reader.

In closing, you really need to make a point of not talking about hockey since you have many times admitted you know nothing about it.

jeffb 06-17-2011 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by fancylad (Post 549425)
lol? Burke has been with the Maple leafs for 3 years, so i don't know where you get your 7 years from. Meanwhile you're pretty much bragging about how good the raptors are comparitavely in light of the fact they were too were sucking not so much in a rebuild state, but also when they were 'going for it' (see Oneal, Turkoglu seasons). Conversely comparing the raptors to some other team playing some other sport has no bearing on anything that matters. It's a useless list that doesn't offer anything of worth to the reader.

In closing, you really need to make a point of not talking about hockey since you have many times admitted you know nothing about it.

7yrs since the playoffs equates to a 7yr rebuild to me no matter who the GM is. And comparing the Raptors to the Leafs when one is clearly in a much better position to compete in this Market shows exactly how bad the Leafs are and why they rank where they do. As for not knowing anything about hockey, even after not watching the last 5yrs I know a hell of a lot more about it then you do. And if you wish to think otherwise, go nuts. Pretty sure you've never played the sport and remembering back a year or so I recall you saying you weren't that interested in watching hockey.

fancylad 06-17-2011 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 549434)
7yrs since the playoffs equates a 7yr rebuild no matter who the GM is. And comparing. The Raptors to the Leafs when one is clearly in a much better position to compete in this Market shows exactly how bad the Leafs are and why they rank where they do. As for not knowing anything about hockey, even after not watching the last 5yrs I know a hell of a lot more about it then you do. And if wish to think otherwise, go nuts. Pretty sure you've never played the sport and remembering back a year or so I recall you saying you weren't that interested in watching hockey.

How can you say that they're in the middle of a 7 year rebuild when the guy doing said rebuild has only been here 3 years? That's not logical. You can't assess the current management's progress by grading the work done by the past management. Again, not logical.

I totally don't understand your stance on this topic. You know the raptors don't actually play the leafs right? How they fare comparitavely DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. There's no MLSE trophy the give out to the best MLSE franchise. It doesn't matter. Why you conitnue to harp on something no one cares anything about is one of the world's great mysteries.

You know what? a couple of years ago i wasn't as interested in the NHL as i am now, but it's not like it now makes me look at things through some skewed perspective.


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