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jeffb 04-30-2014 12:16 PM

ESPN: The advanced stat All-Star
 
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Amir Johnson does a funny thing when you tell him his true value on a basketball court.

The Toronto Raptors forward, long the darling of the NBA's statheads, seems like a modest guy. The night before he gave an interview in Toronto this month, he had appeared as a guest judge on Canada's version of "Top Chef." He might have been fine talking about food instead of basketball; in fact, when a visiting radio host took Johnson aside earlier in the day, the host seemed to care little about the team's first playoff appearance since 2008. Instead, for an on-air bit, he cajoled Johnson into singing the Backstreet Boys instead of his teammates' praises.

But now the topic at hand is this: Johnson is worth a ton to the Raptors, who tied their first-round playoff series with the Nets at two games apiece Sunday night in Brooklyn. At just 26 years old, he's never made an All-Star team -- hasn't even come close. Not once in his nine seasons has he averaged more than 11 points or 7.5 rebounds per game. Sometimes, he doesn't even start. Yet there is a large sect of league followers that consider Johnson among the most valuable, efficient and irreplaceable players in the NBA.

When he is told this, Johnson pulls a hand toward his face and cups it with his palm. He shields himself from view for an instant, turning his head down, away from a reporter, and to the floor. But there is a smile there, too.



Johnson is the last of a discontinued model. In 2005, during the final draft before the NBA put its new age limit in place, the Detroit Pistons selected the last prep star ever to be called to the pros. From Westchester High School in Los Angeles, Johnson moved to the Motor City, an 18-year-old joining a team with some of the most revered big men in the league.

With Detroit, Johnson never broke 16 minutes per game for a season. But under a quintet of old dogs -- Dale Davis, Antonio McDyess, Kelvin Cato and the Wallaces, Ben and Rasheed -- he learned NBA basketball.


Early on, Johnson caught the eye of Pistons assistant Michael Curry, who began to see that Johnson's stats didn't seem to appropriately measure his worth to the team. When Curry became head coach in 2008, he gave Johnson his first starts in the NBA.

"A lot of people questioned why I would be playing him when I had some veteran guys," Curry says. "But Amir could get four, six points and six rebounds, but that didn't even begin to show you how much impact he had actually had on the game."

By the time he was traded to Toronto in 2009, Johnson was an insider's commodity. He had bounced around the D-League and scored just 3.5 points per game in his most recent NBA season, though Johnson's stock was rising as an undervalued asset among those who looked beyond the box score.

Johnson's traditional stats are forgettable -- he averaged 10.4 points and 6.6 rebounds per game this regular season and is averaging 10.5 and 5.8 against the Nets -- and often he'll uncork what seems to be a stinker.

But Johnson has become indispensable to the Raptors. His most glowing statistical review comes through a measure called real plus-minus, a figure that gauges the impact a player has on his team's offense and defense when he's on the floor, accounting for the play of his teammates and the quality of his opponent. Among players that average at least 25 minutes per game, Johnson places ninth in the NBA in real plus-minus. Seven of the eight players ahead of him have been All-Stars.

Dig deeper and you'll find Johnson is among the league's very best at defending opponents at the rim, according to NBA.com, even though his block numbers (1.1 per game this season) do not reflect it.

"It's a fearless thing," says Raptors coach Dwane Casey. "He goes vertical at the basket. He's not embarrassed to get dunked on at the rim."

He's also among the league's best at grabbing contested rebounds, according to NBA.com, which defines this as the snatching of any board with a defender nearby.

"I take it personally," Johnson says. "If I don't get [a rebound], the other guy's not getting it."

On offense, Johnson must find his own way to score. Casey almost never calls a play for him; appropriately, his usage rate, the percentage of his team's possessions a player uses while on the court, is about the same as that of Nate Wolters.
2014 NBA Playoffs: Amir Johnson a hidden gem for Toronto Raptors - ESPN

Bankiz 04-30-2014 12:49 PM

oh espn just discover what every body in canada knows since he is here !
funny !

Sir Amir Tall Money !

Rene_13 04-30-2014 01:51 PM

I love Amir. The article needs to correct the fact he signed here as a free-agent and was not traded.

pzabby 04-30-2014 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Rene_13 (Post 892635)
I love Amir. The article needs to correct the fact he signed here as a free-agent and was not traded.

he was traded.

pzabby 04-30-2014 01:55 PM

also Jeff: take note of your own posted article

jeffb 04-30-2014 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 892638)
also Jeff: take note of your own posted article

What are you babbling on about now?

pzabby 04-30-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 892640)
What are you babbling on about now?

your constant degradation of Amir's value to the team. That babble.

jeffb 04-30-2014 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 892641)
your constant degradation of Amir's value to the team. That babble.

:haha:

Tommy C 04-30-2014 02:01 PM

He came here via trade with the Bucks after he was traded by the Pistons if I remember correctly.

m5racer 04-30-2014 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 892643)
He came here via trade with the Bucks after he was traded by the Pistons if I remember correctly.

And then he signed a new deal here a year or two later.....

Rene_13 04-30-2014 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 892637)
he was traded.

My fault. I somehow blocked that out of my mind.

pzabby 04-30-2014 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by m5racer (Post 892646)
And then he signed a new deal here a year or two later.....

was it in FA? I remember it was an extension that everyone went nuts over wasn't it?

DanH 04-30-2014 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 892660)
was it in FA? I remember it was an extension that everyone went nuts over wasn't it?

It was a free agency contract, not an extension.

A lot of people went nuts over it, partially because the media misreported the value at first (5 years, 35M instead of 5 years, 30M), and partially because so many people undervalue Amir. I tried to get the right numbers out in the open, but it was hard back then to be sure quickly what the right numbers were. I thought it was a fair deal - and now I think it's a steal.

Tommy C 04-30-2014 04:26 PM

I wonder if you guys remember how many bi-polars here wanted us to Amnesty him...

DanH 04-30-2014 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 892666)
I wonder if you guys remember how many bi-polars here wanted us to Amnesty him...

I remember. Ugh.

jeffb 04-30-2014 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 892666)
I wonder if you guys remember how many bi-polars here wanted us to Amnesty him...

I remember. That being said, he was bad his first season of this contract.

Tommy C 04-30-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 892668)
I remember. That being said, he was bad his first season of this contract.

He wasn't that good but it was kind of absurd to say he should be Amnestied. It seems like our fanbase is great but has no patience whatsoever.
one a side note; If Ross doesn't get a grip for the next 2 games I wonder how many members will want him to be gone/traded.

jeffb 04-30-2014 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Tommy C (Post 892669)
He wasn't that good but it was kind of absurd to say he should be Amnestied. It seems like our fanbase is great but has no patience whatsoever.

I agree, but name me a fanbase that has patience?

LX 04-30-2014 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 892672)
I agree, but name me a fanbase that has patience?

The Bieber fanbase.

JoeyJoJo Shabbadu 04-30-2014 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 892672)
I agree, but name me a fanbase that has patience?

Toronto. Just in a different sport!


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