End of game scenario
Old 01-09-2010, 12:05 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I like turkoglu, he's an amazing passer, and have no problem when he initiates the attack.

However, I don't think there were many situations this year when he HAD to make a play happen in critical moments (end of games etc) when we actually got a great shot.

As much as he's a mismatch potential and a great ball handler, nobody on this roster is close to jose's skill with the ball. If you're going to keep Calderon on the court despite his defense, I think he should be the one starting the possesion. And in all his years in toronto , he never got his ball picked like turkoglu did at the end of the first half - that just doesn't happen to calderon.
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Old 01-09-2010, 12:16 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yeah that was a bad mistake. But I've seen Jose make bad TO's too in 4th quarters...

anyway, I think the way they go about it is too forced. When Jose was out Hedo was balling. Some other games too particularly lost game vs Jazz I thought his playmaking was great. But as it is now, it's too much let's go to Hedo in the final 2 minutes. That feels wrong for me. The offense should start with him more during the game, so he will be in the game. Also I think it's harder making plays with the closing line up they have. For anyone who has the ball. Three guys on the court that don't excel in moving without the ball.
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I never really noticed how much Jose got blown right by, by other PG's.
I was scared Lou Williams was going to go off on him .
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:04 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Seems like the raps fell into believing the hype about turkoglu being a big shot kinda guy which is why he seems to get the ball alot in late game situations. So far though he hasn't been getting results and seems to struggle getting even a good shot opportunity for him or one of his teammates. I know what he did for Orlando time and time again but the truth is it seems Triano doesn't even run a set play and just lets hedo create for himself or his teammates which usually ends up with him taking a long 2 or a 3 with a man in his face. I would like to see a lot more movement towards the basket or at least more picks when the game is on the line... get hedo or jack the ball and use hedo as a spot up shooter instead.
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Old 01-09-2010, 01:47 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I never really noticed how much Jose got blown right by, by other PG's.
I was scared Lou Williams was going to go off on him .
Can't stand these comments. We always hear when Jose gets blown by on D but whenever JJ does noones says anything. JJ and others gets beat off the dribble frequently open your eyes. On the plays Jose got beat tonight the help was either late or not there. That's not Joses fault. The Raptors need to play great TEAM D to win games. BTW, Lou Williams in an explosive player and a good majority of NBA players struggle to keep him in front.
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Old 01-09-2010, 02:43 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm also starting to hate the final possessions engineered by the Raps and Turk, it looks way to forced and predictable. The coaches gotta set up better more organized play execution when they give him the ball late in games, run screens and curls and play options. It looks too much like Hedo, allways trying to force up a contested shot from three whether a three is needed or not. It's pretty ugly and looks like the same chaotic helter skelter play over and over again.
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Old 01-09-2010, 06:06 AM   #7 (permalink)
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On the plays Jose got beat tonight the help was either late or not there. That's not Joses fault. The Raptors need to play great TEAM D to win games.
True, but in order to have effective team D, you need to provide at least a decent one-on-one D. If you get repeatedly and too easily beat by your man, even great help defenders (no doubt Bosh and Bargs are not) struggle.
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Old 01-09-2010, 08:31 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Triano is in love with Turkoglu
even when he is not contribuing
I think triano should put Bellineli instead of the 3 ball handler
someone has to go to the bench
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Old 01-09-2010, 09:10 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Can't stand these comments. We always hear when Jose gets blown by on D but whenever JJ does noones says anything. JJ and others gets beat off the dribble frequently open your eyes. On the plays Jose got beat tonight the help was either late or not there. That's not Joses fault. The Raptors need to play great TEAM D to win games. BTW, Lou Williams in an explosive player and a good majority of NBA players struggle to keep him in front.
Wow...two things.

First, the fact that the help was late is clearly not Jose's fault but that doesn't change the fact that he got beat.

Second, saying that Jose got beat does not also equal saying Jack never gets beat.
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Old 01-09-2010, 09:32 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I never really noticed how much Jose got blown right by, by other PG's.
I was scared Lou Williams was going to go off on him .
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True, but in order to have effective team D, you need to provide at least a decent one-on-one D. If you get repeatedly and too easily beat by your man, even great help defenders (no doubt Bosh and Bargs are not) struggle.
Glad only to see a couple of posts where guys are still on Joses case about his d. So far Jose has come back strong and his d has been solid, however some like above just focus on Jose. Jack gets beat just as much as Jose and some how the same guys above can't see it. So far Jose when hes on the court the team is scoring alot more points then they give up. The funny part though is that when Jose and Jack play together our team gives up more then what they score.
Its funny that Armstrong mentions that Jack has not played well the last 2 games is it because Jose just has looked better. Like Jack Armstrong said he was surprised how stong and in shape Jose looks after coming back from his injury. Jose is clearly our best point guard however we do need both him and Jack to contend for a championship.
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Old 01-09-2010, 09:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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question.

what is Philly's main strength?
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Old 01-09-2010, 09:36 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Old 01-09-2010, 09:41 AM   #13 (permalink)
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heh, yes, that and thier guard play. So far this year, if you shut down thier uards, you shut them down.

first half there was ZERO help, poor rotation, basically cement feet.

Second half, Toronto did a great job shutting these guys down. There were a few hiccups, and these twits on this board are pretending they are experts and claiming Jose (or any of thier pg's really) were to blame for the game not being what???? A Blow out?

Philly was playing very well coming into this game.

Toronto spotted them 11 in thier own barn.

toronto also tightened it up, came back, and won.

Period.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:14 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Couldn't agree with you more. Just giving Turk the ball with the other 4 guys watching is painful and frankly stupid. Turk isn't LaBron or Jobe ...
No issue with Turk ... but Triano has to create more flow and plays for end of game situations.
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I'm also starting to hate the final possessions engineered by the Raps and Turk, it looks way to forced and predictable. The coaches gotta set up better more organized play execution when they give him the ball late in games, run screens and curls and play options. It looks too much like Hedo, allways trying to force up a contested shot from three whether a three is needed or not. It's pretty ugly and looks like the same chaotic helter skelter play over and over again.
Couldn't agree with you more ... Giving Turk the ball and having 4 guys watching him is a joke. That's not Turks fault .... Triano needs to provide some set plays so the situation has a chance to work.
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Old 01-09-2010, 10:50 AM   #16 (permalink)
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we got a huge break with Bosh making such a huuuuuge fucking play


our offense was looking horrible as hell with no ball movement whatsoever, as it usually is in late game scenario, thank God Bosh made his move and took the running hook or else it would of likely been Hedo jacking up a contested long range J.
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:02 AM   #17 (permalink)
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after an avarage performance night some of Hedo bashers again on board...
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I rather run plays through Hedo than Bosh. Last year, all we did was give to Bosh for late game situations which didn't end well. Of course last night he did amazing but basically it's all Triano's fault lol. Maybe Beli should have the ball?
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after an avarage performance night some of Hedo bashers again on board...
so 9 pts, 1 assist 1 rebound and 2 TO's is an average night for someone making over 10M/year??


get out of here man, you're clearly a Hedo dick rider, hence your name, but the man played trash last night, no denying that, it's a fact.
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Old 01-09-2010, 11:36 AM   #20 (permalink)
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after an avarage performance night some of Hedo bashers again on board...
9 pts, 2 TO, 1 RB, 0 AS against Sixers.

that's below expectation for a $10 Million per year man.

Seem out of focus on the court with a distinct lack of situational awareness. To Wit: Losing the ball at the end of first half.
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