End of an Experiment
Old 04-06-2010, 10:26 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Found this on slam online and found it quite intersting

Pairing Bosh with Bargnani was a novel experiment. I believe the premise was to outscore the opponent with a quick and agile frontcourt that extended the defense beyond the three-point line, opening up lanes for slashing wings. Problems: no slashing wings were ever added to the roster and the defensive deficiencies of two big men who model the games of small forwards out weighed the potential for offensive anarchy. The goal was to shift the paradigm of bigs in the League but the end result is tragic and immensely disappointing.

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Old 04-06-2010, 10:31 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Meh. I actually like them together. They work well but Bargs needs Bosh in order to play well
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:34 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Found this on slam online and found it quite intersting

Pairing Bosh with Bargnani was a novel experiment. I believe the premise was to outscore the opponent with a quick and agile frontcourt that extended the defense beyond the three-point line, opening up lanes for slashing wings. Problems: no slashing wings were ever added to the roster and the defensive deficiencies of two big men who model the games of small forwards out weighed the potential for offensive anarchy. The goal was to shift the paradigm of bigs in the League but the end result is tragic and immensely disappointing.

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Well I think a lot has to do with the coaching staff. I remember good ol days of Robinson and Duncan in the spurs, it worked quite well for them with Duncan as a pf and Robinson as a Centre, so the experiment can work, but it needs to have the right ingredients which the Raptors didnt have. Just having the pieces present doesnt mean it will work.

Also Calderon and Turk turned out be a really big disappointment as well towards the end of the season. We literally need a miracle to dig ourselves out of this hole
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:35 PM   #4 (permalink)
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As I've continually stated, Bosh needs a guy like Haywood or Rasho back in his day that can consistantly clog up the paint, grab boards, and defend well both on help and in the post. He needs that defensive center that doesnt need pts to get his game off. Most of the better PFs in the league play better with a guy like that behind them. Even Tim Duncan.
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:49 PM   #5 (permalink)
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As I've continually stated, Bosh needs a guy like Haywood or Rasho back in his day that can consistantly clog up the paint, grab boards, and defend well both on help and in the post. He needs that defensive center that doesnt need pts to get his game off. Most of the better PFs in the league play better with a guy like that behind them. Even Tim Duncan.
BC's whole obsession with the Euro experiment has just sunk our chances of ever being a championship contender.
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Pair Bosh with an all-star at any position on the court. Heck, even a former all-star will do.

No more Euro projects.

No.. more.. euro... projects.
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Old 04-06-2010, 10:55 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Other than Howard and Oden ( if healthy ) there really are no good American Big Men
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Other than Howard and Oden ( if healthy ) there really are no good American Big Men
Bynums pretty good.
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Old 04-07-2010, 12:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Other than Howard and Oden ( if healthy ) there really are no good American Big Men
Hmm, i dont know
Tim Duncan
Bynum
Marcus Camby (he maybe old but look at his stats, still avgs 10.4 rpg for a close to 40 year old almost, born in 1974)
Shaq in his prime was wrecking basketball nets and is still capable of giving people the shivers down in the paint at the age 38 almost now?

Now name me one dominant chinese bigman that is currently active in the league that can be compared to Howard or Shaq in his prime?

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Old 04-07-2010, 12:56 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Other than Howard and Oden ( if healthy ) there really are no good American Big Men
Are we talking about American born centers?

American Born:
Brook Lopez
Spencer Hawes
Brendan Haywood (10pts, 10rebound)
Kendrick Perkins
Chris Kaman
Kevin Love
Tyler Hansbrough (not amazing but 9pts, 5rebounds rookie season)
Eddie Curry
Jason Maxell.
Marcus Camby
Joel Przybilla

and the obvious

Shaq, Bynum,

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Old 04-07-2010, 07:19 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Bargs holds up just fine against other centers.
It's the blend of the complete team that sucks.
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:31 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm just tired of how up and down Bargnani is. Remember when it was a good thing to see him shoot a 3 and how you didn't want to see Bosh shoot a 3? Well right now I think I'd rather see Bosh shooting long-distance. And yet in close Bargnani might as well be Boris Diaw - he simply refuses to go up strong. Diaw and Bosh would probably work better.

And Hedo does not mix well with Bargnani at all. As much as Hedo gets scapegoated, might I suggest that if he was in there with a C that defended better consistently and was more athletic on offense, that his value would come through much more. If they keep Hedo and trade Bargs I will not moan and groan about it.
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Old 04-07-2010, 07:50 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Foreign Born

Bargs
Biedrins
Dalembert
Noah
Gasol
Iggy
Bagut
Gortat
Yao
Okur

Shaq was great but over the hill
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While not a center Duncan is foreign born (Virgin Islands)
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Old 04-07-2010, 08:36 AM   #15 (permalink)
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On the bright side, only four more years and over $80 million till Bargnani and Hedo Turkoglu’s contracts expire and then the Raptors and their fans (me included) will get their chance to start anew.
Classic last line. Although I believe Bargs contract has value but doesn't only cause of Hedo's garbage contract. I suppose you can move Bargs and go into oblivion for a while hoping to grab the "next one". Oh geez that sounds like a familiar setting
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Bargs is a floater and not quick enough on his feet (or mind) to be a center.

With CB4 gone next year, I'd like to see a strong center come here (Byrun sign and trade) and see Bargs at the 4.
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:00 AM   #17 (permalink)
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While not a center Duncan is foreign born (Virgin Islands)
You mean the U.S. Virgin Islands?

Noah is also born and raised in the States
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Old 04-07-2010, 10:18 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Bargs is a floater and not quick enough on his feet (or mind) to be a center.

With CB4 gone next year, I'd like to see a strong center come here (Byrun sign and trade) and see Bargs at the 4.
If anything his advantage on the floor is at the five where he has a distinct foot-speed advantage over most other centres in the league. Slide him to the four spot and I'm not sure he has such an advantage anymore.
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If Bosh leaves then I'll hope we trade his ass to LA for Bynum. Bynum and Bargs is a pretty good pairing.
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Pair Bosh with an all-star at any position on the court. Heck, even a former all-star will do.

No more Euro projects.

No.. more.. euro... projects.
agreed. Just get Bosh another franchise player already!

No more good players on this team! No. more.

We need multiple allstars!!!
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