The Emergence Of Jerryd Bayless
Old 03-17-2012, 11:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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JB has been fantastic these last few games.

He's had lapses, but overall he has played under control, shot a high percentage, played some nice D and run the offense for his teammates.

Let the point guard controversy begin!
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Why can't he play like this off the bench? Gah...
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:11 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Why can't he play like this off the bench? Gah...
Personally, I think he's just much better as a full time point guard than as a combo guard.

He can get to the rim, but he's undersized as a finisher when he gets there.

When he's creating his own shot on the perimeter his game isn't refined enough, so he doesn't have consistency.

He's not great off the ball coming off screens and in catch and shoot situations.

To me, he looks like a point guard with scoring ability rather than a combo guard with passing ability
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At this rate, it's clear that SG is our biggest need but Forbesanity can end that too!
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Old 03-17-2012, 12:54 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Remember Linsanity? Remember Bayless doing something like this in NO in the playoffs and then here last spring?

The problem is whether or not he could ever sustain good play over the course of the season(s).
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:51 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Remember Linsanity? Remember Bayless doing something like this in NO in the playoffs and then here last spring?

The problem is whether or not he could ever sustain good play over the course of the season(s).
That's true but in both cases Bayless was the starting guard and had no worries of being benched because Jose was injured. Personally I think he has a confidence problem when he's not starting.
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Old 03-17-2012, 01:57 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Remember Linsanity? Remember Bayless doing something like this in NO in the playoffs and then here last spring?

The problem is whether or not he could ever sustain good play over the course of the season(s).
He never played for NO in the playoffs...maybe you're thinking of Portland?

Anyway, I'm still not sold.
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Old 03-17-2012, 02:50 PM   #9 (permalink)
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He never played for NO in the playoffs...maybe you're thinking of Portland?

Anyway, I'm still not sold.
not sold in what sense. You know, given his starting statistics with us over his span here, i'd sign him to a 3-4 mil contract for say 2 years? I think he'd agree to that, or even 3 if he wants another year, give him a shot. It won't kill our flexibility, and we can still plug in weaknesses come summer.
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not sold in what sense. You know, given his starting statistics with us over his span here, i'd sign him to a 3-4 mil contract for say 2 years? I think he'd agree to that, or even 3 if he wants another year, give him a shot. It won't kill our flexibility, and we can still plug in weaknesses come summer.
His qualifying offer is 4.1 million. That's a big investment in a guy who has still yet to show that he consistently play PG in the NBA. And the Raps still aren't sold either or they would've extended a qualifying offer by the Jan.26 deadline.
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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His qualifying offer is 4.1 million. That's a big investment in a guy who has still yet to show that he consistently play PG in the NBA. And the Raps still aren't sold either or they would've extended a qualifying offer by the Jan.26 deadline.
Well considering his injury, It makes sense they didn't extend it. When he's started, bayless has shown potential, and I think if something can be made from jose, either by dealing him for another positional need, or amnestying and signing for another position of need, why not give bayless the reigns at 4.1 million? Going based on his statistics as a starter, it is worth the risk. It's not like he's played 5 games as a starter, so it's a valid enough investment. Considering we gave Amir 5 mil a year, and he averages 10/8 or so, and we don't complain about his contract, why not bayless at 4.1 million?

DanH if you could help us out with some stats it'd be great, im working from my phone so it's tough to pull these things out.
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Jerryd Bayless Career Splits | Basketball-Reference.com

These are his career splits.

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	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	3P	3PA	FT	FTA	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST
Starter	35	35	1110	191	429	39	112	138	165	18	99	182	31	7	74	85	559	.445	.348	.836	31.7	16.0	2.8	5.2
Reserve	190	0	2983	399	1010	83	246	380	465	41	302	438	66	9	250	358	1261	.395	.337	.817	15.7	6.6	1.6	2.3
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Old 03-17-2012, 03:46 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Though, I think that splitting by minutes played might be better.
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Minutes	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	3P	3PA	FT	FTA	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST
40+	6	6	253	46	102	11	25	40	48	5	21	37	10	4	21	13	143	.451	.440	.833	42.1	23.8	3.5	6.2
30-39	22	15	762	127	273	26	73	84	98	15	85	120	18	2	45	66	364	.465	.356	.857	34.6	16.5	3.9	5.5
20-29	61	13	1464	221	517	41	127	218	266	18	129	236	35	5	99	158	701	.427	.323	.820	24.0	11.5	2.1	3.9
10-19	89	1	1322	167	462	41	121	146	181	17	141	184	29	5	125	164	521	.361	.339	.807	14.9	5.9	1.6	2.1
0-9	47	0	292	29	85	3	12	30	37	4	25	43	5	0	34	42	91	.341	.250	.811	6.2	1.9	0.5	0.9
Notice how his shooting percentages go up the more minutes he plays.

His scoring efficiency is optimal when playing 30-40 minutes.

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Old 03-17-2012, 04:51 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Though, I think that splitting by minutes played might be better.
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Minutes	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	3P	3PA	FT	FTA	ORB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS	FG%	3P%	FT%	MP	PTS	TRB	AST
40+	6	6	253	46	102	11	25	40	48	5	21	37	10	4	21	13	143	.451	.440	.833	42.1	23.8	3.5	6.2
30-39	22	15	762	127	273	26	73	84	98	15	85	120	18	2	45	66	364	.465	.356	.857	34.6	16.5	3.9	5.5
20-29	61	13	1464	221	517	41	127	218	266	18	129	236	35	5	99	158	701	.427	.323	.820	24.0	11.5	2.1	3.9
10-19	89	1	1322	167	462	41	121	146	181	17	141	184	29	5	125	164	521	.361	.339	.807	14.9	5.9	1.6	2.1
0-9	47	0	292	29	85	3	12	30	37	4	25	43	5	0	34	42	91	.341	.250	.811	6.2	1.9	0.5	0.9
Notice how his shooting percentages go up the more minutes he plays.

His scoring efficiency is optimal when playing 30-40 minutes.

Interesting, but this is a pretty small sample size and there is no context for the numbers. There is no way to tell if he was able to overcome a bad start and finish the game off strong, or if he just had a good game and stayed on the floor. It's hard to justify keeping a player on the court when he gets on the floor and turns the ball over/misses shots...

My biggest problem with JB is that he tends to make bad decisions. Sure, his crazy shots sometimes go in, but usually it's better to work the ball around and find the best possible shot. He takes the long two way too often and doesn't use his quickness often enough; he also has an assist-to-turnover rate that's equal to Troy Murphy's.

He's been playing well recently, but we'll see if he can play extended stretches at a high level. I admit I'm biased - I think PGs should be more like Jose than JB, floor generals and pass-first types. Hopefully, JB will prove me wrong and keep this streak going, we need him to play well.
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Old 03-17-2012, 05:35 PM   #15 (permalink)
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He's averaging 23 points in 40+ minutes
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:43 PM   #16 (permalink)
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If he keeps the focus on defense it's going to be something to consider. I really wish he had been healthy and getting this kind of burn earlier, just to mark actual progression over time.
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:51 PM   #17 (permalink)
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ugh...WHO CARES!

mike James could drop 30 a night with 40 mins...does he make his team better??

Do you guys really see an itelligent, High IQ ball player ou tthere when you see J. Bayless

He's an ok back up...thats it man.
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Old 03-17-2012, 06:54 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Bayless IQ is low, decision making needs a lot of work, I need to see more out of him.
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He's not great at a backup role though. The Mike James comparison is apt to an extent, but he looks to be moving away from the MJ mentality, and his defense could become really good. That's why I think it would be nice to see if he could continue to progress, or just prove to be an MJ.
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ugh...WHO CARES!

mike James could drop 30 a night with 40 mins...does he make his team better??

Do you guys really see an itelligent, High IQ ball player ou tthere when you see J. Bayless

He's an ok back up...thats it man.
the argument actually is he isn't an ok backup, but rather an ok starter. Sure he's no superstar, but what superstar do you know of that's worth only 4.1 mil a year?
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