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EggsToTheBBQ 03-17-2012 12:57 PM

The Emergence Of Jerryd Bayless
 
JB has been fantastic these last few games.

He's had lapses, but overall he has played under control, shot a high percentage, played some nice D and run the offense for his teammates.

Let the point guard controversy begin!

jeffb 03-17-2012 01:01 PM

It's like March 2011 all over again. Lol

Alex 03-17-2012 01:06 PM

Why can't he play like this off the bench? Gah...

EggsToTheBBQ 03-17-2012 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex (Post 627321)
Why can't he play like this off the bench? Gah...

Personally, I think he's just much better as a full time point guard than as a combo guard.

He can get to the rim, but he's undersized as a finisher when he gets there.

When he's creating his own shot on the perimeter his game isn't refined enough, so he doesn't have consistency.

He's not great off the ball coming off screens and in catch and shoot situations.

To me, he looks like a point guard with scoring ability rather than a combo guard with passing ability

carp 03-17-2012 01:49 PM

At this rate, it's clear that SG is our biggest need but Forbesanity can end that too!

MikeToronto 03-17-2012 01:54 PM

Remember Linsanity? Remember Bayless doing something like this in NO in the playoffs and then here last spring?

The problem is whether or not he could ever sustain good play over the course of the season(s).

Blaze 03-17-2012 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 627347)
Remember Linsanity? Remember Bayless doing something like this in NO in the playoffs and then here last spring?

The problem is whether or not he could ever sustain good play over the course of the season(s).

That's true but in both cases Bayless was the starting guard and had no worries of being benched because Jose was injured. Personally I think he has a confidence problem when he's not starting.

Acie 03-17-2012 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeToronto (Post 627347)
Remember Linsanity? Remember Bayless doing something like this in NO in the playoffs and then here last spring?

The problem is whether or not he could ever sustain good play over the course of the season(s).

He never played for NO in the playoffs...maybe you're thinking of Portland?

Anyway, I'm still not sold.

pzabby 03-17-2012 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie (Post 627377)
He never played for NO in the playoffs...maybe you're thinking of Portland?

Anyway, I'm still not sold.

not sold in what sense. You know, given his starting statistics with us over his span here, i'd sign him to a 3-4 mil contract for say 2 years? I think he'd agree to that, or even 3 if he wants another year, give him a shot. It won't kill our flexibility, and we can still plug in weaknesses come summer.

Acie 03-17-2012 04:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 627389)
not sold in what sense. You know, given his starting statistics with us over his span here, i'd sign him to a 3-4 mil contract for say 2 years? I think he'd agree to that, or even 3 if he wants another year, give him a shot. It won't kill our flexibility, and we can still plug in weaknesses come summer.

His qualifying offer is 4.1 million. That's a big investment in a guy who has still yet to show that he consistently play PG in the NBA. And the Raps still aren't sold either or they would've extended a qualifying offer by the Jan.26 deadline.

pzabby 03-17-2012 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acie (Post 627394)
His qualifying offer is 4.1 million. That's a big investment in a guy who has still yet to show that he consistently play PG in the NBA. And the Raps still aren't sold either or they would've extended a qualifying offer by the Jan.26 deadline.

Well considering his injury, It makes sense they didn't extend it. When he's started, bayless has shown potential, and I think if something can be made from jose, either by dealing him for another positional need, or amnestying and signing for another position of need, why not give bayless the reigns at 4.1 million? Going based on his statistics as a starter, it is worth the risk. It's not like he's played 5 games as a starter, so it's a valid enough investment. Considering we gave Amir 5 mil a year, and he averages 10/8 or so, and we don't complain about his contract, why not bayless at 4.1 million?

DanH if you could help us out with some stats it'd be great, im working from my phone so it's tough to pull these things out.

EggsToTheBBQ 03-17-2012 04:40 PM

Jerryd Bayless Career Splits | Basketball-Reference.com

These are his career splits.

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        G        GS        MP        FG        FGA        3P        3PA        FT        FTA        ORB        TRB        AST        STL        BLK        TOV        PF        PTS        FG%        3P%        FT%        MP        PTS        TRB        AST
Starter        35        35        1110        191        429        39        112        138        165        18        99        182        31        7        74        85        559        .445        .348        .836        31.7        16.0        2.8        5.2
Reserve        190        0        2983        399        1010        83        246        380        465        41        302        438        66        9        250        358        1261        .395        .337        .817        15.7        6.6        1.6        2.3


EggsToTheBBQ 03-17-2012 04:46 PM

Though, I think that splitting by minutes played might be better.
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Minutes        G        GS        MP        FG        FGA        3P        3PA        FT        FTA        ORB        TRB        AST        STL        BLK        TOV        PF        PTS        FG%        3P%        FT%        MP        PTS        TRB        AST
40+        6        6        253        46        102        11        25        40        48        5        21        37        10        4        21        13        143        .451        .440        .833        42.1        23.8        3.5        6.2
30-39        22        15        762        127        273        26        73        84        98        15        85        120        18        2        45        66        364        .465        .356        .857        34.6        16.5        3.9        5.5
20-29        61        13        1464        221        517        41        127        218        266        18        129        236        35        5        99        158        701        .427        .323        .820        24.0        11.5        2.1        3.9
10-19        89        1        1322        167        462        41        121        146        181        17        141        184        29        5        125        164        521        .361        .339        .807        14.9        5.9        1.6        2.1
0-9        47        0        292        29        85        3        12        30        37        4        25        43        5        0        34        42        91        .341        .250        .811        6.2        1.9        0.5        0.9

Notice how his shooting percentages go up the more minutes he plays.

His scoring efficiency is optimal when playing 30-40 minutes.

AR1815 03-17-2012 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EggsToTheBBQ (Post 627408)
Though, I think that splitting by minutes played might be better.
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Minutes        G        GS        MP        FG        FGA        3P        3PA        FT        FTA        ORB        TRB        AST        STL        BLK        TOV        PF        PTS        FG%        3P%        FT%        MP        PTS        TRB        AST
40+        6        6        253        46        102        11        25        40        48        5        21        37        10        4        21        13        143        .451        .440        .833        42.1        23.8        3.5        6.2
30-39        22        15        762        127        273        26        73        84        98        15        85        120        18        2        45        66        364        .465        .356        .857        34.6        16.5        3.9        5.5
20-29        61        13        1464        221        517        41        127        218        266        18        129        236        35        5        99        158        701        .427        .323        .820        24.0        11.5        2.1        3.9
10-19        89        1        1322        167        462        41        121        146        181        17        141        184        29        5        125        164        521        .361        .339        .807        14.9        5.9        1.6        2.1
0-9        47        0        292        29        85        3        12        30        37        4        25        43        5        0        34        42        91        .341        .250        .811        6.2        1.9        0.5        0.9

Notice how his shooting percentages go up the more minutes he plays.

His scoring efficiency is optimal when playing 30-40 minutes.


Interesting, but this is a pretty small sample size and there is no context for the numbers. There is no way to tell if he was able to overcome a bad start and finish the game off strong, or if he just had a good game and stayed on the floor. It's hard to justify keeping a player on the court when he gets on the floor and turns the ball over/misses shots...

My biggest problem with JB is that he tends to make bad decisions. Sure, his crazy shots sometimes go in, but usually it's better to work the ball around and find the best possible shot. He takes the long two way too often and doesn't use his quickness often enough; he also has an assist-to-turnover rate that's equal to Troy Murphy's.

He's been playing well recently, but we'll see if he can play extended stretches at a high level. I admit I'm biased - I think PGs should be more like Jose than JB, floor generals and pass-first types. Hopefully, JB will prove me wrong and keep this streak going, we need him to play well.

DonMughal 03-17-2012 06:35 PM

He's averaging 23 points in 40+ minutes :golfclap:

LX 03-17-2012 07:43 PM

If he keeps the focus on defense it's going to be something to consider. I really wish he had been healthy and getting this kind of burn earlier, just to mark actual progression over time.

Superjudge 03-17-2012 07:51 PM

ugh...WHO CARES!

mike James could drop 30 a night with 40 mins...does he make his team better??

Do you guys really see an itelligent, High IQ ball player ou tthere when you see J. Bayless

He's an ok back up...thats it man.

Dario 03-17-2012 07:54 PM

Bayless IQ is low, decision making needs a lot of work, I need to see more out of him.

LX 03-17-2012 07:56 PM

He's not great at a backup role though. The Mike James comparison is apt to an extent, but he looks to be moving away from the MJ mentality, and his defense could become really good. That's why I think it would be nice to see if he could continue to progress, or just prove to be an MJ.

pzabby 03-17-2012 07:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Superjudge (Post 627485)
ugh...WHO CARES!

mike James could drop 30 a night with 40 mins...does he make his team better??

Do you guys really see an itelligent, High IQ ball player ou tthere when you see J. Bayless

He's an ok back up...thats it man.

the argument actually is he isn't an ok backup, but rather an ok starter. Sure he's no superstar, but what superstar do you know of that's worth only 4.1 mil a year?


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