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Old 12-01-2009, 02:22 PM   #1 (permalink)
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A lot of people here act as if it's way too early to asses this teams performance. We'll imo we've played enough games to see what works and what doesn't.

First, let's talk about our weak backcourt... Jose/Demar.... Jose/Jack should never see the floor again. Weakest backcourt in the NBA. Honestly it's time to bench demar for wright, or to bench jose for jack. What do you think?

Second, Hedo can't play effectively with claperon, since his effiveness on the court increases with the ball in his hands. The offensive distribution in this team is horrible. Our backcourt offers nothing. We need to have a balanced attack so it gives the defense more problems. Teams like Boston will always stop us because our offensive is Bosh and Bargs. Two black holes. We either upgrade our backcourt with a trade or we just wait for improvement.What so u guys think?

Third, Jay Triano is stubborn in his ways and seems to think his that this team loses because the other team hits shots or because we miss shots. This dude talks less about our defensive struggles than the commentators. He can't use his timeouts properly, and doesn't penalize players for bad defensive or offensive plays. Does he get fired when we're 10 games below .500 in January

Lastly , BC knows that something has to change soon. If he plans to keep Bosh than we have to improve at the pg or centre position. If he wants to keep his beloved Bargs, Bosh and Jose has to be shipped away. Our defensive sucks and he may need to make some moves. What do you think happens?
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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A lot of people here act as if it's way too early to asses this teams performance. We'll imo we've played enough games to see what works and what doesn't.
i agree with the statement above and whats funny is they were saying the same thing a week ago and we have gotten worse since last weeks record so i dont know when they think is the proper time to asses, when were 7-18 or something?

although i dont agree with benching demar for wright? the guy hasnt been good on d or bad and to be honust demar is more efficient in either ends even though he does make rookie mistakes...what the team should do is put jose on the bench and start jack, also bench Bargnani and let amir start.
look at this balanced starting lineup and 2nd unit
Jack
Demar
Hedo
Bosh
Amir
as u can see there are enough shooters Bosh and hedo and enough defensive players therefore making it balanced

2nd unit:
Jose
Bellineli
Wright
Rasho/Pops
Andrea

good scoring 2nd unit
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:30 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:34 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Only if Amir was taller
yeah but despite being shorter than Bargnani he can outrebound alot of people often
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Wright should not be mentioned for starting no matter how unready derozan is. Wright has been the worst raptor on the team if you ask me, i don't give a shit that he took some charges early. THe guy is shooting less than 30% from the field, yes i said less than. Derozan get more steals, blocks, pretty much better in every Off and Def catagory despight his rookies struggles. Even though derozan isn't ready i'll take the rookie mistakes over wright's bed shitting
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Old 12-01-2009, 02:41 PM   #10 (permalink)
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we need to upgrade at the 2......
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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we need to upgrade at the 2......
Calderon to portland for miller and fernandez.
Fernandez is waisting behind roy and miller showed up to camp overweight as usual which upset the blazers. Miller is a shitty defender like calderon, prize of the deal is that other racist spaniard who was in that photo with Calderon

rudy fernadez can start for this team any day
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Old 12-01-2009, 03:59 PM   #12 (permalink)
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i agree with the statement above and whats funny is they were saying the same thing a week ago and we have gotten worse since last weeks record so i dont know when they think is the proper time to asses, when were 7-18 or something?

although i dont agree with benching demar for wright? the guy hasnt been good on d or bad and to be honust demar is more efficient in either ends even though he does make rookie mistakes...what the team should do is put jose on the bench and start jack, also bench Bargnani and let amir start.
look at this balanced starting lineup and 2nd unit
Jack
Demar
Hedo
Bosh
Amir
as u can see there are enough shooters Bosh and hedo and enough defensive players therefore making it balanced

2nd unit:
Jose
Bellineli
Wright
Rasho/Evans
Andrea

good scoring 2nd unit

I think your on to something, I do like those line ups however I would start

1st unit:
Jose good ball handler, shooter, passer,
Bellineli ball handler, shooter, passer, can take it to the rim, plays good d
Wright all you want him for is to rebound and play d
Andrea most talented player on the team on offence, give him the ball period
Rasho/Evans play d, rebound, smart guy around the basket, good mid jumper,

This first unit would beat our second unit in a scrimmage.Let them duke it out in practice the winner starts.


good scoring 2nd unit[/quote]

Jack
Demar
Hedo
Bosh
Amir
Andrea

good scoring 2nd unit[/quote]
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Old 12-01-2009, 04:52 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Calderon to portland for miller and fernandez.
Fernandez is waisting behind roy and miller showed up to camp overweight as usual which upset the blazers. Miller is a shitty defender like calderon, prize of the deal is that other racist spaniard who was in that photo with Calderon

rudy fernadez can start for this team any day
So if miller is a shitty defender like Calderon and we start him and fernandez, how does that improve us defensively? Demar and Wright are better defenders than fernandez.
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So if miller is a shitty defender like Calderon and we start him and fernandez, how does that improve us defensively? Demar and Wright are better defenders than fernandez.
Fernandez is quick and can get you steals, i would take his D over a rookies and a fucken scrub's any day. Fernandez is a good alround player stuck behind a baller
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I think your on to something, I do like those line ups however I would start

1st unit:
Jose good ball handler, shooter, passer,
Bellineli ball handler, shooter, passer, can take it to the rim, plays good d
Wright all you want him for is to rebound and play d
Andrea most talented player on the team on offence, give him the ball period
Rasho/Evans play d, rebound, smart guy around the basket, good mid jumper,

This first unit would beat our second unit in a scrimmage.Let them duke it out in practice the winner starts.

does "most talented on offence" means only making jump shots???

really funny...
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does "most talented on offence" means only making jump shots???

really funny...
He's more talented on both ends of the floor the Hedo is, period!
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He's more talented on both ends of the floor the Hedo is, period!
ok , i am an hedo fan of course but i didn't mean hedo , the most talented player on offence in this team is certanly Bosh ...

And i had to say this but Bargs is not an Hedo class yet , u can compare him with Okur for example (making no defence and great 3pt shooters) ... but if u still want to compare with hedo sum of all offensive criterias (like passing , court vision , dribbling, shooting, creativity etc ) means hedo is more talented of course!
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Old 12-01-2009, 05:35 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Triano needs to recognize that you don't play basketball with more than one ball. There is no need for that much offense in the starting five.

IMO...
1st lineup
Bosh
Hedo
Derozan
Jack
Rasho or Amir depending on what Center they oppose... until Reggie is ok

use Jack the way Orlando used Jameer last year, more of a shooter and fast breaks and let Hedo run the PnRs.
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Triano needs to recognize that you don't play basketball with more than one ball.
Actually this team needs more balls!
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He's more talented on both ends of the floor the Hedo is, period!
are u serious.....? Bargnani is not offencively consistent enough, cant win games for us...and for sure cant block kobe , Bargnani has rarely had a challange of center to play against and cant gaurd shitty centers either...where as hedo gaurds the small forwards often the best players on the opposing teams....like try gaurding lebron.....
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