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Old 11-12-2012, 02:22 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Ed Davis - Toronto Raptors - Game Log - NBA - Yahoo! Sports


That's his game log last year, Bargnani was out for 2/3 of the season. The only time he ever reached 20+ points was when he played 43 minutes in the final game of the season.

Same game that Alabi looked like Dwight Howard.

Davis can rebound, but you need scoring, and he doesn't exactly provide that.
Why are we looking at statistics from last season?
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Ed Davis - Toronto Raptors - Game Log - NBA - Yahoo! Sports


That's his game log last year, Bargnani was out for 2/3 of the season. The only time he ever reached 20+ points was when he played 43 minutes in the final game of the season.

Same game that Alabi looked like Dwight Howard.

Davis can rebound, but you need scoring, and he doesn't exactly provide that.
Then please explain why we don't get Alabi back here!

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Then please explain why we don't get Alabi back here!

Why dont we bring back Jerome Moiso while were at it. He played well one game too
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Old 11-12-2012, 02:28 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Davis gives off a really bad impression with his body language. He looks like he doesn't give a shit and has an attitude problem. Just my opinion of course.

The situation with bigs in Toronto just goes on and on and on and on.
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Davis gives off a really bad impression with his body language. He looks like he doesn't give a shit and has an attitude problem. Just my opinion of course.

The situation with bigs in Toronto just goes on and on and on and on.
Watch the Indy and Minny games again. He had a real swagger and looked to be enjoying his part in being a competitive team.

Take away those two games and you have a few minutes here and there. That's not much to base body language on.
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Why are we looking at statistics from last season?
maybe cause he's done nothing in his last two games..... and in a limited sample size this year he's not shown that much either.

Ed just doesn't give enough O to this team that is desperate for it without KL. We can't rely on three bigs that have rudimentary offensive skills in Amir, Jonas and Ed when our SF spot is also kind of a zero on that end.
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Watch the Indy and Minny games again. He had a real swagger and looked to be enjoying his part in being a competitive team.

Take away those two games and you have a few minutes here and there. That's not much to base body language on.
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Unfortunately I haven't been able to see Ed play since the season before last. I totally accept I could be talking sh*t. It's just the impression he's always left me with. I rekon he was gutted being drafted to TO.
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maybe cause he's done nothing in his last two games..... and in a limited sample size this year he's not shown that much either.

Ed just doesn't give enough O to this team that is desperate for it without KL. We can't rely on three bigs that have rudimentary offensive skills in Amir, Jonas and Ed when our SF spot is also kind of a zero on that end.
So we completely ignore the fact that Ed has improved his game in areas we really don't get to see...hmm. okay.
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maybe cause he's done nothing in his last two games..... and in a limited sample size this year he's not shown that much either.

Ed just doesn't give enough O to this team that is desperate for it without KL. We can't rely on three bigs that have rudimentary offensive skills in Amir, Jonas and Ed when our SF spot is also kind of a zero on that end.
If they decide to forego defining this team defensively in favor of inefficient offense, then the franchise will have reached yet another low. You can win a fair share of games with a really strong defense. You can score off of really strong defense. Inefficient offense s a good way to give up even more points than simply weakening the defense would accomplish. It's disastrous unless they find another stud defender at the 3.
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Reading between the lines, the choice is being made to keep Bargnani on the floor for around 40 minutes per game, and needing more size than what Ed can deliver in order to compensate for Andrea's deficiencies and unwillingness to use his own size against 5ís. Ed isn't the only one to pay a price, as Valanciunas can't really get afforded the chance to develop within games while needing to worry about covering for Andrea at the same time. There is a reason Aaron Gray was a no-brainier and will continue to get minutes. The question is - is that really the direction we want to go? When the league is getting smaller and playing small ball more often, why are we stuck on playing one big that has to be paired with another big at almost all costs? Any way you look at it, unless we move Andrea to a sixth man role, where he could prove to e far more consistent than he is now, we are limiting this team, and making the coach look like an ass.
more like misreading between the lines ... The problem is you NEED Bargnani because all the other bigs are inept offensively. We don't play Bargnani just for the sake of it. We're also playing JV because he's our potential future franchise player and we have to give him PT. Then, you have to play Amir because he's our best defensive big guy and 2nd best on offense. So you're left with Ed, who is not doing anything particularly well outside rebounding, but JV is probably a better rebounder already.

Is Ed getting an unfair treatment? I don't think so - the truth is that, all aspects of the game taken into account, he is our 4th best big. That's just the way it is now. If we didn't have Bargnani (or JV, or Amir), he would be our 3rd best big and would get more PT, but that's not the point.

At this point, BC and Casey are probably well aware that this season will dictate their faith. So, unless they're really stupid, they won't take any prisoners - only people who will help us win will play (as they see it).
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getting a zero offensively from three frontcourt positions spells lottery, plain and simple, and we don't have a lottery pick unless we make top 3... who wants to pin their chances on us winning top three in the lottery? It's a sucker's bet.
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more like misreading between the lines ... The problem is you NEED Bargnani because all the other bigs are inept offensively. We don't play Bargnani just for the sake of it. We're also playing JV because he's our potential future franchise player and we have to give him PT. Then, you have to play Amir because he's our best defensive big guy and 2nd best on offense. So you're left with Ed, who is not doing anything particularly well outside rebounding, but JV is probably a better rebounder already.

Is Ed getting an unfair treatment? I don't think so - the truth is that, all aspects of the game taken into account, he is our 4th best big. That's just the way it is now. If we didn't have Bargnani (or JV, or Amir), he would be our 3rd best big and would get more PT, but that's not the point.

At this point, BC and Casey are probably well aware that this season will dictate their faith. So, unless they're really stupid, they won't take any prisoners - only people who will help us win will play (as they see it).
I never said Andrea was being played just for the sake of it. Read the article again. It's pretty clear that Bargnani's inefficient and inconsistent offense needs to be supported by another C, to make up for any number of problems defensively. Ed is never going to look good playing the 5.

The other bigs are hardly inept offensively. Given time within a developing offense they can work well off the other guys on the floor, unlike Bargnani who has shown little chemistry with anyone over 6 years. And they can maintain defensive principles, and improve upon them over time, which offers a much better chance of allowing the offense they are trying to implement take shape and succeed to some degree. I don't see where an offense that looks to push the tempo is going to be anything but frustrated when they can't get the stops to ignite that tempo. In either case there is a need for another piece to have any kind of real success, but just winging it with Andrea game after game, and stifling the development and contributions of both Ed and Valančiūnas seems beyond ridiculous and not any way for anybody to keep their job.

The league is playing small. Speed and the ability to rotate and be versatile defensively are key, and giving that up is going to waste the best efforts of those that do get minutes, let alone those that get sidelined by a team defining itself according to its limitations rather than its strengths.

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getting a zero offensively from three frontcourt positions spells lottery, plain and simple, and we don't have a lottery pick unless we make top 3... who wants to pin their chances on us winning top three in the lottery? It's a sucker's bet.
Zero offensively? That's not overstating.

I had no idea the only real goal of this team was to make the playoffs. That seems like a terribly misplaced goal. The goal needs to be defining the way this team plays, defining individual roles, and being able to move forward with some clarity. Not doing so, and somehow lucking into the playoffs would not put them any farther ahead.
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Zero offensively? That's not overstating.

I had no idea the only real goal of this team was to make the playoffs. That seems like a terribly misplaced goal. The goal needs to be defining the way this team plays, defining individual roles, and being able to move forward with some clarity. Not doing so, and somehow lucking into the playoffs would not put them any farther ahead.
It was overstating. As far as defining, what the heck was last year all about? Why is it even being suggested that the culture hasn't at least changed to a large degree already? If we had some bench players that could hit some open threes, we'd be a winning team so far.
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Nah, Ed has been given tons of opportunity to prove he's anything more than a marginal talent and hasn't done so.

2010 NBA Draft | Basketball-Reference.com

Sort it by total MP and Ed ranks 9th for his class. 24 and 23mpg his first 2 seasons is PLENTY of time to show if he's good. Right now Eric Bledsoe and Larry Sanders are two examples of players from Ed's class who are getting limited minutes but shining. That could be Ed, he's just not doing it.

Ed doesn't provide anything to our lineup really. He's not an impact player defensively, he has the rep of someone who should be due to his blocked shots in college, but defense comes down to court awareness and making rotations smartly and Ed is average at best at these things. His rebounding stats are good but he's one of the quietest 10rebs per 36 players I've seen, it seems like he never has an "impressive" rebound where he grabs out of his area or steals one from the other team. Offensively he is a liability. Ed is pretty much just a guy/replacement player. At his 3rd season in the league if he can't be more than that, the pick is basically a bust like Xavier Henry and Luke Babbitt are. On that note BC's "excuse" for the Davis pick, which in for a while was "Have you SEEN everyone who got picked behind him? Everyone outside of the top 10 in 2010 is total hot trash, there's no star player to make us say we really screwed up the Ed pick" is now evaporating with the way some of those players are coming on. Bledsoe, Bradley, Sanders, Seraphin, Crawford are making a bigger dent than Ed right now and I bet a few others follow (Patrick Patterson is near the top of my "What is that guy missing to be good?" list, he's more athletic than Ed, has one of the best midrange jumpshots in the league statistically and has a high IQ)

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Simple fact is he's worse than Bargnani. I want everyone to let that sink in for a minute before they say he should be handed more minutes. Needs to play better and earn playing time.
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Simple fact is he's worse than Bargnani. I want everyone to let that sink in for a minute before they say he should be handed more minutes. Needs to play better and earn playing time.
Yeah. I let it sink in. Coach said he made the difference against Minnesota. That earned him 5 minutes the next game. It's not about earning anything. That's the problem.
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The issue is with Dwayne's rotations it seems like. I don't really get how he makes up his minutes. Didn't people have this same issue with Triano as well?
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The similarities to Triano are a bit too evident right now.
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Say it isn't so!
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