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Old 03-17-2011, 10:04 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Almost half the minutes but more rebounds:

Season Stats:

Andrea Bargnani: 2,138 minutes = 324 total rebounds
Ed Davis: 1,154 minutes = 342 total rebounds
its awesome that he's here then because rebounds win championships.

Ed Davis: 1,154 minutes = 342 total rebounds = 0.3 rebounds per minute
Reggie Evans: 526 minutes = 234 = 0.45 rebounds per minute.

Starting lineup should be

Amir-tops on team
Ed-second on team
Reggie-third on team
Bargs-fourth on team
Demar-fifth on team
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Old 03-17-2011, 10:16 AM   #42 (permalink)
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its awesome that he's here then because rebounds win championships.

Ed Davis: 1,154 minutes = 342 total rebounds = 0.3 rebounds per minute
Reggie Evans: 526 minutes = 234 = 0.45 rebounds per minute.

Starting lineup should be

Amir-tops on team
Ed-second on team
Reggie-third on team
Bargs-fourth on team
Demar-fifth on team
You should be the last to know about championships. Wasn't the team behind Bosh a playoff calibre team. I know you were excited about Bargnani being the No.1 option. We are the 5th worst team in the NBA!!
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its awesome that he's here then because rebounds win championships.

Ed Davis: 1,154 minutes = 342 total rebounds = 0.3 rebounds per minute
Reggie Evans: 526 minutes = 234 = 0.45 rebounds per minute.

Starting lineup should be

Amir-tops on team
Ed-second on team
Reggie-third on team
Bargs-fourth on team
Demar-fifth on team
C'mon Snooch. Rebounds are vital to championship calibre teams, especially offenisve rebouns. Added possesions are always key as are taking away posessions are a key step in terms of building a solid defensive team.

It's why so many people are high on Davis. I'd say if we saw him on any other team we'd all say, man, how can we get him here, or make up ridiculous trade proposals (see Curry, Stephen) or say why did we draft xyz instead.

Him and DeMar are really the only reason I see some light at the end of the tunnel.
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Old 03-17-2011, 11:33 AM   #44 (permalink)
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You should be the last to know about championships. Wasn't the team behind Bosh a playoff calibre team. I know you were excited about Bargnani being the No.1 option. We are the 5th worst team in the NBA!!
nope.

I said the would be better with Bargs instead of bosh. not that bars should be number one option but rather apeice to a larger puzzle.
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C'mon Snooch. Rebounds are vital to championship calibre teams, especially offenisve rebouns. Added possesions are always key as are taking away posessions are a key step in terms of building a solid defensive team.

It's why so many people are high on Davis. I'd say if we saw him on any other team we'd all say, man, how can we get him here, or make up ridiculous trade proposals (see Curry, Stephen) or say why did we draft xyz instead.

Him and DeMar are really the only reason I see some light at the end of the tunnel.

davis is looking like a nice young piece. same as demar. both are complimentry pieces.

and rebounding isnt everything, remember that these uys are playing beside a bad rebounder as well.

and point i was making that yes Bargs rebounds poorly, whoop dee doo. been said too many times. but as long as he front court is outrebounding or at ieast holding there own against opposing teams i could care less who is getting them and instead what to address other glaring weaknesses like overall team defense, outside shooting, et5c, etc, etc, etc, etc
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Bargs is terrible with team defense. And his outside shot has gone to shit. etc etc etc

oh - and he's a very very poor rebounder
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davis is looking like a nice young piece. same as demar. both are complimentry pieces.

and rebounding isnt everything, remember that these uys are playing beside a bad rebounder as well.

and point i was making that yes Bargs rebounds poorly, whoop dee doo. been said too many times. but as long as he front court is outrebounding or at ieast holding there own against opposing teams i could care less who is getting them and instead what to address other glaring weaknesses like overall team defense, outside shooting, et5c, etc, etc, etc, etc
but rebounding at a key position (4/5) is key. You look at his footwork, his positioning, it's advanced for a rookie. Considering guys he's playing up against, it's impressive.

And it is a big issue with a poor rebounding 5. Think of championship teams right now. How important is rebounding from their two bigs? It's an issue of effort. Right now our rebouning number are inflated by Reggie. What happens when Reggie leaves? Someone HAS to step up and your other big needs to. You can't continually draft specialists or find specialists to make up for another players lack of it, especially when it's a requirement.

And while it's not only Andrea, he's part of the problem. Again, I'm not saying trade him immediately, but beyond his scoring ability and referee cred, he is becoming a liability and you're building a flawed team.

I'd say the same about any player really after 5 years (i.e. if DeMar still can't dribble). The best teams are teams with few liabilities.
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davis is looking like a nice young piece. same as demar. both are complimentry pieces.

and rebounding isnt everything, remember that these uys are playing beside a bad rebounder as well.

and point i was making that yes Bargs rebounds poorly, whoop dee doo. been said too many times. but as long as he front court is outrebounding or at ieast holding there own against opposing teams i could care less who is getting them and instead what to address other glaring weaknesses like overall team defense, outside shooting, et5c, etc, etc, etc, etc
Our 7 foot Center is soft and doesn't rebound, and all you have is "woop dee doo "?
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With Bargnani on the team people will always use him as the number one option.. and that is bullshit. You should never build around a center unless you're Dwight Howard, and Bargnani is not Dwight Howard. We built around Bosh (who is a PF) and that failed miserably, I don't know why this organization is so fond of building around bigs. Enough with building around bigs, it never worked and it will never work in the future. As long as Bargnani is on this team I have a feeling he will always be fed the ball when he shouldn't be. Imagine Kyrie Irving on this team and the offense goes through Bargnani... and he shoots 2/15 every game, we will still be the worst team in the NBA. Bargnani has to go no matter what.
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Our 7 foot Center is soft and doesn't rebound, and all you have is "woop dee doo "?
Don't worry, our soft, non-rebounding center is improving our chances in the draft and creating new franchise records. In our franchise record 14 road game losing streak, Bargnani has 264 points on 264 fga while shooting an amazing 36% from the field (the Score).
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With Bargnani on the team people will always use him as the number one option.. and that is bullshit. You should never build around a center unless you're Dwight Howard, and Bargnani is not Dwight Howard. We built around Bosh (who is a PF) and that failed miserably, I don't know why this organization is so fond of building around bigs. Enough with building around bigs, it never worked and it will never work in the future. As long as Bargnani is on this team I have a feeling he will always be fed the ball when he shouldn't be. Imagine Kyrie Irving on this team and the offense goes through Bargnani... and he shoots 2/15 every game, we will still be the worst team in the NBA. Bargnani has to go no matter what.
Cause a traditional NBA offence is run inside out (or at least traditional basketball).

San Antonio, LA, Detroit, Boston and Miami (the last championship winners) all implemented an inside-outside attack to the game. SA have moved away and so have LA (to an extent) but the rest all used a big man (either a PF/C) to dump it into and make the offence work with either a pick and roll, pick and pop, easy post position, kick outs etc. It's fundamental way to play.

And really, all you try to do is find that guy who can help you do it.
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Cause a traditional NBA offence is run inside out (or at least traditional basketball).

San Antonio, LA, Detroit, Boston and Miami (the last championship winners) all implemented an inside-outside attack to the game. SA have moved away and so have LA (to an extent) but the rest all used a big man (either a PF/C) to dump it into and make the offence work with either a pick and roll, pick and pop, easy post position, kick outs etc. It's fundamental way to play.

And really, all you try to do is find that guy who can help you do it.
So you're really comparing Bargnani to Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett and Chris Bosh? Give me a break. Yeah, he was drafted #1, but he isn't in the same stratosphere as those players. And those players will never be effective if they were the #1 option, just look at how Chris Bosh was in those 7 years here. Bargnani is the #1 option right now, do you really think he'll be pushed away from the #1 option in the future? I highly doubt it, once a #1 option.. always a #1 option, especially if you're on the same team. If this basketball team wants to be a contender then we need to trade Bargnani. People think Bargnani is some kind of basketball god, but hes not.
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We also need to adress the need for 3pt shooters. We currently dont have any great shooters on the team. So Bargnani spreads the floor as well as adds some great interior offense.
those things that he does well (not lately), he isn't good enough at them for them to compensate how bad he is at everything else.

if we're talking CHAMPIONSHIP one day, we need to have amazing defense, but especially amazing interior defense and i don't think Bargs will ever be able to do that. and we already know the deal with his rebounding, he is the worst rebounder in the NBA....and he's a "center".........

man, if he even rebounded a little bit he could be a pretty good player....
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So you're really comparing Bargnani to Pau Gasol, Kevin Garnett and Chris Bosh? Give me a break. Yeah, he was drafted #1, but he isn't in the same stratosphere as those players. And those players will never be effective if they were the #1 option, just look at how Chris Bosh was in those 7 years here. Bargnani is the #1 option right now, do you really think he'll be pushed away from the #1 option in the future? I highly doubt it, once a #1 option.. always a #1 option, especially if you're on the same team. If this basketball team wants to be a contender then we need to trade Bargnani. People think Bargnani is some kind of basketball god, but hes not.
Where did I make that comparison? Can you please highlight it or are you just misreading what I said?

I was speaking more to WHY teams look to draft bigs and want bigs.

At no point did I say Andrea is that guy. Nope. Didn't say that.
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Couldn't agree more. This summer, draft a PG, trade Bargs, Jose, TPE and see what you can get and go from there. IMO Irving, Walker or Barnes + Derozan, Amir, Davis, is the start of something that could eventually be special.
ya i should have said Amir too. i think he's a great sixth man type player. i think those 3 dudes, with another solid young guy this summer (we'll see what happens....) we have a nice young team. maybe we can get a decent piece for Bargs but i doubt it. you never know, we've seen some stupid trades go down, hopefully Bryan can pull one of those off.
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but rebounding at a key position (4/5) is key. You look at his footwork, his positioning, it's advanced for a rookie. Considering guys he's playing up against, it's impressive.

And it is a big issue with a poor rebounding 5. Think of championship teams right now. How important is rebounding from their two bigs? It's an issue of effort. Right now our rebouning number are inflated by Reggie. What happens when Reggie leaves? Someone HAS to step up and your other big needs to. You can't continually draft specialists or find specialists to make up for another players lack of it, especially when it's a requirement.

And while it's not only Andrea, he's part of the problem. Again, I'm not saying trade him immediately, but beyond his scoring ability and referee cred, he is becoming a liability and you're building a flawed team.

I'd say the same about any player really after 5 years (i.e. if DeMar still can't dribble). The best teams are teams with few liabilities.
we need for ed to devolp a TON before he is even starting calibre on a championship team, same with Demar and he needs to greatly improve defense, and we are missing a pg that defends at a high level and our starting sf is a castoff(albeit a very nice looking one) from a near champrionship level team and everyone is more concerned with a center who is probably gonna be wore out by that point in time.

If Bargs stays as he currently is he is not a great peice on a championship team but shit team is 5 years away from being considered that is all goes exceptionally well. more than likely a couple years away from playoffs.
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Bargnani sucks.
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Don't worry, our soft, non-rebounding center is improving our chances in the draft and creating new franchise records. In our franchise record 14 road game losing streak, Bargnani has 264 points on 264 fga while shooting an amazing 36% from the field (the Score).
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we need for ed to devolp a TON before he is even starting calibre on a championship team, same with Demar and he needs to greatly improve defense, and we are missing a pg that defends at a high level and our starting sf is a castoff(albeit a very nice looking one) from a near champrionship level team and everyone is more concerned with a center who is probably gonna be wore out by that point in time.

If Bargs stays as he currently is he is not a great peice on a championship team but shit team is 5 years away from being considered that is all goes exceptionally well. more than likely a couple years away from playoffs.
Ed Davis has more balls then Bargnani in his rookie season and is far more developed as a defender, shot blocker, rebounder then Bargs will likely ever be. The only department Bargnani is better at is shooting and overall offensive skill (even though he's quicly becoming a chucker) but as a Big that actually plays big.......Davis>>>>Bargnani already.
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