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fk24 12-20-2011 04:57 PM

Ed, Amir & Bargnani, PF dilemma
 
How do we allocate the minutes for these 3?

powerfulpanda 12-20-2011 05:06 PM

start ed have amir come off the bench. play both if you wanna go small. trade AB

jeffb 12-20-2011 05:06 PM

Looks like Amir will play mostly at Center.

I'm guessing

Bargnani- 34mpg
Amir- 20-25mpg
Davis 18-22mg

Don't know if that even works but off the top of my head that's roughly what i'm thinking will happen.

b55bgc 12-20-2011 05:30 PM

I believe I started a thread on this about 3 weeks ago.

Thug 12-20-2011 06:23 PM

I feel like Ed Davis needs to be getting most of the minutes at PF after Andrea. If we do not give him the playing time he needs, I think we are making a grave mistake as a franchise.

Scully 12-20-2011 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 589186)
Looks like Amir will play mostly at Center.

I'm guessing

Bargnani- 34mpg
Amir- 20-25mpg
Davis 18-22mg

Don't know if that even works but off the top of my head that's roughly what i'm thinking will happen.

If this was a regular schedule I think you would be right on the money. But I think your going to see it a little more equity across the board during this congested season. I think Casey will want Andrea not killing him self, so more like 28- 30 min. With Davis Picking up the majority of the spares. Amir is going to see a lot of minutes at the 5. It all depends on whether Maglore and Alabi are play worthy and if Gray can play 15-18 min without being a liability.

moujik 12-20-2011 08:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 589185)
start ed have amir come off the bench. play both if you wanna go small. trade AB

ditto

carp 12-20-2011 08:27 PM

keep amir, trade ed for a young stud pg.

Ammo 12-20-2011 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carp (Post 589210)
keep amir, trade ed for a young stud pg.

It looks like Amir is what he is, but Ed actually has more potential yet to be reached. So normally, I'd say we'd be smarter to keep Ed, except:

1) Amir's contract might make it harder to move him.

2) I still can't shake the feeling that Ed is gone the first chance he gets.

Besides, they may end up amnestying Amir and sigining a free agent PG (and drafteing a SF)

forme123 12-20-2011 09:51 PM

ed and amir are way too similar of players, having them both is simply redundancy....personally i would look to trade amir in order to fill out the other holes in our roster......... but then again the season will consist of a lot of injuries likely, espeically with the back to backs and the wear and tear it will put on the injury prone players we have......i dunno anymore this roster is a mess whichever way u look at it

jeffb 12-20-2011 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forme123 (Post 589221)
ed and amir are way too similar of players, having them both is simply redundancy....personally i would look to trade amir in order to fill out the other holes in our roster......... but then again the season will consist of a lot of injuries likely, espeically with the back to backs and the wear and tear it will put on the injury prone players we have......i dunno anymore this roster is a mess whichever way u look at it

They're far from being the same type of players imo.

forme123 12-20-2011 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 589222)
They're far from being the same type of players imo.

both hustle/energy players who thrive off fast paced play...both get most of their points close to the basket off tip ins, lop ins from the pg, or dunks/layups....both have less than stellar shooting range and can't spread the defence leaving it up to the italian to fufill that purpose..

that being the case, ed davis is smarter players, fouls way less, better defender and has more promise to be a better player....imo amir is what he is and i cant personally see him being much better....i know hes young still but hes been in league for while, what u see is what u get....that is why i suggest trading him instead of davis

jeffb 12-20-2011 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by forme123 (Post 589224)
both hustle/energy players who thrive off fast paced play...both get most of their points close to the basket off tip ins, lop ins from the pg, or dunks/layups....both have less than stellar shooting range and can't spread the defence leaving it up to the italian to fufill that purpose..

that being the case, ed davis is smarter players, fouls way less, better defender and has more promise to be a better player....imo amir is what he is and i cant personally see him being much better....i know hes young still but hes been in league for while, what u see is what u get....that is why i suggest trading him instead of davis

Amir can hit 15ft shots quite well, Davis can't. Davis is smarter on the defensive end and a much better position player. Amir is a hustle player and imo Davis is more controlled and sound. Davis has better instincts as a shot blocker while Amir is way more foul prone. To me these two bring different things to the table and while they have some similarities they're quite different.

LX 12-20-2011 10:17 PM

I'd say the only one that is what he is would be Bargnani. The improvement of Amir and Ed, both young and inexperienced to this point, was quite obvious lat season. They are similar in that they are both ballers on both ends, and I would say it's a terrible mistake to think there can be too many guys that can just play basketball. Stretching the floor is hardly a pre-requisite for bigs. Defending is. So who really needs to get traded from a team with the worst defense for two years running?

Ammo 12-20-2011 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LX (Post 589234)
I'd say the only one that is what he is would be Bargnani. The improvement of Amir and Ed, both young and inexperienced to this point, was quite obvious lat season. They are similar in that they are both ballers on both ends, and I would say it's a terrible mistake to think there can be too many guys that can just play basketball. Stretching the floor is hardly a pre-requisite for bigs. Defending is. So who really needs to get traded from a team with the worst defense for two years running?

But it looks like Bargnani is not going anywhere. Colangelo wants to bury him as a 3rd option on an improved team. I don't mean bury him on the bench. I mean I think he's going to be the "unique skillset" guy.

Toby 12-20-2011 10:34 PM

Easy

Amir- starting C
Davis- starting PF
Bargs- starting SF (After cutting 15 pounds of chub)

carp 12-20-2011 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carp (Post 589210)
keep amir, trade ed for a young stud pg.

^^^^ this.

We need a pg baby!

:cookie:

Admiral 12-20-2011 11:48 PM

i don't really see a dilemma here
you got 3 guys who play both PF and C, its not really hard to split minutes between 3 guys at 2 positions, that's 48 minutes x 2 positions = 96 minutes, shared between the 3 guys is 32 minutes each, which is plenty
obviously there are other guys like gray and magloire, but really only 1 of them will get minutes and they will be sparse minutes anyways

Kirby 12-21-2011 12:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carp (Post 589247)
^^^^ this.

We need a pg baby!

:cookie:

I like it.
I'm gonna take this one out of carp's playbook and add it to mine.

neojiphre 12-21-2011 12:48 AM

Trade Bargnani, problem solved!

IMO he's got the most value right now and that would help fill holes easily.

I think demar and bayless can take some more extra load on offense that will be left by bargs, should he get traded.


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