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Old 01-12-2010, 03:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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b4 I begin, I believe I owe an apology to the brethren for defending Triano in a post in December. I was AWOL for a while after that, but after last night, I had to man up and take my whipping...
What I have noticed over the winning streak and then the last four games is remarkably striking...
1) Triano is lost out there as a coach when he has a full regiment of players. I think he is OK when the raps have injuries because he is forced to play his bench, but..... He has absolutely no idea what to do with Jack, Caldy, and Hedo when they are all healthy. The one thing that always comes to mind is what Jack Armstrong says every game about Andrea,
"you can't dictate your game from offense" and clearly Triano is doing this again.
Force feeding those 3 in the final minutes of games plays right into the hands of opposing coaches, and while you may be scoring, the opponents are feeding on the Raptors.
1a) You can't throw a purely offensive team out there every game and expect success. Not when you have players like Beli, Banks, Wright, Johnson, Rasho, Weems, who may be limited in their overall game, give it up on the defensive end and all look comfortable running the floor.
One more thing about the bench, Jay needs to remove head from butt on benching players struggling on offense. These players hustle, play "D", get steals, and run the floor, just because Wright goes 1-4 on offense does not mean you staple his tail to the pine.
2) I may get some disagreements on this one, but this team is going nowhere with Calderon playing with the starters. I like his game for the most part, I just don't think Triano can be trusted coaching this player. He looked "fab" last night with the second unit, but needs to be kept off the court when the starters are out there. His offensive style doesn't match the other starters and if I see him wave Hedo or Jack to the other side of the floor one more time......
The other point I wanted to add here is that I have noticed that the opponents are back up over 100+ per game again since he returned....while it might be the competition.......
3) Triano needs to wake up with Hedo. It took Van Gundy a couple of years to figure out that Hedo should be dictating your offense. During that winning streak we began to see that take place. High-Low screens, pick and rolls, cross court passing, he can do it all. While Orlando's issues are their own, just listening to their players bitch about VC's style should speak for itself. Hedo/Jack, Hedo/Beli, Hedo/Banks, whatever is working. He plays well with Andrea and was starting to really work it with Bosh...thanks Jay!
I am still very optimistic about this team, but these issues need to be addressed...
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Old 01-12-2010, 03:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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he is amateur. He removes players when they're hot and lets players that are having a bad night play more. Honestly I dont get it, maybe his goal is to improve the team during game time. His set plays are some of the best I've seen but when it comes to inspiration and dictating a ball game he seems lost.
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Old 01-12-2010, 03:50 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I pretty much agree with that. Triano and Jose need to go.
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I really don't see Jay Triano losing this game. Jay didn't tell the guys at halftime to only make 7 of their field goals the rest of the way. Jay didn't tell Bosh and Bargs to work their butts off and let the rest of the team just watch and throw up a bucket or two.

Triano is to blame for alot of things but not that loss vs. the Pacers. The Pacers stink and the Raptors no matter how tired they are should have beat them yesterday.

The only thing I saw yesterday is a team that as a collective doesn't want to work harder than the other 29 teams. When your a slightly above average team you have to take each team and game seriously and the Raptors didn't. No way was that Triano's fault
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I really don't see Jay Triano losing this game. Jay didn't tell the guys at halftime to only make 7 of their field goals the rest of the way. Jay didn't tell Bosh and Bargs to work their butts off and let the rest of the team just watch and throw up a bucket or two.
Man, those shitty excuses for the Canadian are getting old fast. It's never Triano, it's all about the players...........blah blah blah!!

"he's not the one shooting, he's not the one doing??? Unbelievable!! Sam was well over .500 over the last 2+ seasons he was here and he was nearly run out of town. Yet this guy can't grasp rotations or manage minutes or show any flexibility whatsoever and is nearly 20 games under .500 since taking over as head coach over a year ago. And he constantly gets the excuses??

Jay Triano in the second half of this game was unbelievably horrible with his bench management. It was a joke, even the broadcasters were noticing how tired the starters were and yet the players mostly responsible for our big lead earlier in the game (Weems, Beli, Amir, Rasho) stayed straped to the bench until after the Pacers started taking over the game. He was the one to blame for this loss.
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Man, those shitty excuses for the Canadian are getting old fast. It's never Triano, it's all about the players...........blah blah blah!!

"he's not the one shooting, he's not the one doing??? Unbelievable!! Sam was well over .500 over the last 2+ seasons he was here and he was nearly run out of town. Yet this guy can't grasp rotations or manage minutes or show any flexibility whatsoever and is nearly 20 games under .500 since taking over as head coach over a year ago. And he constantly gets the excuses??

Jay Triano in the second half of this game was unbelievably horrible with his bench management. It was a joke, even the broadcasters were noticing how tired the starters were and yet the players mostly responsible for our big lead earlier in the game (Weems, Beli, Amir, Rasho) stayed straped to the bench until after the Pacers started taking over the game. He was the one to blame for this loss.
Look at Bosh and Bargs they were out there the most and they were both fighting to win the ball game. All I saw was NO WILL to win after finishing off a compressed schedule of late. What I don't get is this is the most talented group put out there and THEY get the most excuses. Maybe you can say Turk deserved the bench but you have your 10million dollar free agent complaining about the ball well ... give turk the ball.

Triano played his whole bench with the exception of POB. Do YOU wanna see that stud on the floor to get rid of some tired bodies?

Face it the bottom line is this team as a collective gave them the reputation of being a bunch of goofballs. A team that is very talented but doesn't want to TRY to play harder than the rest of the league. Triano may not be perfect (ie Jack/Jose combo amongst others) but he did get this tired bunch to play at a pretty good clip of late. They just couldn't reward the coach to show some guts last night.

If anything blame Turk for his play and BC for signing him.
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I may get some disagreements on this one, but this team is going nowhere with Calderon playing with the starters. I like his game for the most part, I just don't think Triano can be trusted coaching this player. He looked "fab" last night with the second unit, but needs to be kept off the court when the starters are out there. His offensive style doesn't match the other starters and if I see him wave Hedo or Jack to the other side of the floor one more time......
The other point I wanted to add here is that I have noticed that the opponents are back up over 100+ per game again since he returned....while it might be the competition.......
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You are joking right. Jose is the reason why the team goes on a win streak against the weaker teams and Jose is the reason why the team is not playing well now. lol what a fucking joke. Is Hedo that limited as a player. Hedo can't play without the ball, Hedo can't be used as a shooter, Hedo can't defend all Hedo can do is handle the ball...we paid this guy all this money for what ????? The guy gets 9 assists in a game which is way higher then his career avg. and he still complains because everyone is now pointing fingers at his play. Jack Armstrong hit the nail right on the head...Hedo start playing and stop complaining grab the bull by the horns instead of grabing your shorts because you are out of shape. Just blame Jose for shooting your air ball. Fuck Hedo... we finally have a Euro who thinks hes bigger then the team. The way Hedo is going he will be my second shit head raptor of all time after TJ Ford.
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Man, those shitty excuses for the Canadian are getting old fast. It's never Triano, it's all about the players...........blah blah blah!!

"he's not the one shooting, he's not the one doing??? Unbelievable!! Sam was well over .500 over the last 2+ seasons he was here and he was nearly run out of town. Yet this guy can't grasp rotations or manage minutes or show any flexibility whatsoever and is nearly 20 games under .500 since taking over as head coach over a year ago. And he constantly gets the excuses??

Jay Triano in the second half of this game was unbelievably horrible with his bench management. It was a joke, even the broadcasters were noticing how tired the starters were and yet the players mostly responsible for our big lead earlier in the game (Weems, Beli, Amir, Rasho) stayed straped to the bench until after the Pacers started taking over the game. He was the one to blame for this loss.
Jeff... hate Triano all you want... but stop spewing this bullshit.

Sam had 33 wins in 04/05 and 27 wins in 05/06 with a subpar roster.

He had EXACTLY a .500 record in 07/08.

Triano had 33 wins last season (with a crap roster) and is currently 1 game under .500 now.


You clearly don't remember Sam's nonsensical rotations back when he was coaching because there were a TON of games that had people screaming just like last night.

This is the same old manic garbage.... we win 8 of 9 games and no one says boo... we lose ONE that we should have won and suddenly Triano's a goat again.

If you're looking to blame someone blame Hedo and Jack who were just horrible last night. If they'd have played even halfway decent we'd have won that game.

Certainly not Triano's best game coaching... but calling for his head is just ridiculous.
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Actually Jay won 25 games last year.
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True. I suppose that his true record would have been 25-40.
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True. I suppose that his true record would have been 25-40.
40 losses made Bargs develop to what we have this season.
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Triano is only playing people who receive a lot of cash beside Banks
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Triano played every single player on the roster last game except POB ... if u call him a player
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Jeff... hate Triano all you want... but stop spewing this bullshit.

Sam had 33 wins in 04/05 and 27 wins in 05/06 with a subpar roster.

He had EXACTLY a .500 record in 07/08.

Triano had 33 wins last season (with a crap roster) and is currently 1 game under .500 now.


You clearly don't remember Sam's nonsensical rotations back when he was coaching because there were a TON of games that had people screaming just like last night.


What i said in the part you highlighted was dead on. He was well over .500 in his last 2+ seasons (which is what i said so why you bring up 04-05 & 05-06 when he had no players i'll never know).

In Sam's last 2+ seasons here he was 96-85. (RUN OUT OF TOWN)

And Triano is 44-60. (IT'S NEVER HIS FAULT?)


No double standard there!?!

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You are joking right. Jose is the reason why the team goes on a win streak against the weaker teams and Jose is the reason why the team is not playing well now. lol what a fucking joke. Is Hedo that limited as a player. Hedo can't play without the ball, Hedo can't be used as a shooter, Hedo can't defend all Hedo can do is handle the ball...we paid this guy all this money for what ????? The guy gets 9 assists in a game which is way higher then his career avg. and he still complains because everyone is now pointing fingers at his play. Jack Armstrong hit the nail right on the head...Hedo start playing and stop complaining grab the bull by the horns instead of grabing your shorts because you are out of shape. Just blame Jose for shooting your air ball. Fuck Hedo... we finally have a Euro who thinks hes bigger then the team. The way Hedo is going he will be my second shit head raptor of all time after TJ Ford.
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What i said in the part you highlighted was dead on. He was well over .500 in his last 2+ seasons (which is what i said so why you bring up 04-05 & 05-06 when he had no players i'll never know).

In Sam's last 2+ seasons here he was 96-85. (RUN OUT OF TOWN)

And Triano is 44-60. (IT'S NEVER HIS FAULT?)


No double standard there!?!
Won't know until they are done!
However, to be fair, and for NOW, the early years of SMITCH should be compared to the early years of Jay. Neither are outstanding.
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Man, those shitty excuses for the Canadian are getting old fast. It's never Triano, it's all about the players...........blah blah blah!!

"he's not the one shooting, he's not the one doing??? Unbelievable!! Sam was well over .500 over the last 2+ seasons he was here and he was nearly run out of town. Yet this guy can't grasp rotations or manage minutes or show any flexibility whatsoever and is nearly 20 games under .500 since taking over as head coach over a year ago. And he constantly gets the excuses??

Jay Triano in the second half of this game was unbelievably horrible with his bench management. It was a joke, even the broadcasters were noticing how tired the starters were and yet the players mostly responsible for our big lead earlier in the game (Weems, Beli, Amir, Rasho) stayed straped to the bench until after the Pacers started taking over the game. He was the one to blame for this loss.

I agree with your assessment of Jay's handling of the 2nd half. Yes, he could have gone back to the second unit earlier. Yes, he could have prolong the burn for the second unit during the 2nd Quarter. On the same token, Jay should be given credit for the way the Raptors play during that 2nd quarter - should he not? After all, he did put in the group which extended the lead!

Jay being Canadian should not enter into the equation - afterall, USA Basketball think enough of him to have him on the coaching staff!
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Won't know until they are done!
However, to be fair, and for NOW, the early years of SMITCH should be compared to the early years of Jay. Neither are outstanding.

Then you have compare lineups as well.
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Jay being Canadian should not enter into the equation - afterall, USA Basketball think enough of him to have him on the coaching staff!
They were never interseted in him until Colangelo became our GM. That USA basketball crap is so overblown it's so funny.
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Then you have compare lineups as well.
Agree
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