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7-0 4 14.81%
6-1 4 14.81%
5-2 12 44.44%
4-3 6 22.22%
3-4 1 3.70%
2-5 0 0%
1-6 0 0%
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:58 AM   #1 (permalink)
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This is an exciting part of the schedule coming up. It gives the Raptors (21-12 since the Gay trade) a chance to really prove they are ahead of the pack. All these games should be tough (both Cavs & Magic are on three game winning streaks), but they are also all winnable. What are your expectations?


Vs. Hawks
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Shit I meant 4-3 not 3-4.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:14 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I think 4-3 is realistic but it will be a small disappointment. I'm hoping we can atleast go 5-2. The potential is there to really create a gap between third and the rest of the pack, so if we come out 3-4 or less it will really be disappointing.
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No more stupid late-game comebacks that come up short please.
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:16 PM   #5 (permalink)
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5-2 for the Raps
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Old 02-12-2014, 12:51 PM   #6 (permalink)
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In many ways this could also be a stretch of games for Derozan to make a statement and elevate his game to a level above many of the other young up and coming guards in the East. I know that might be ridiculous to some because Derozan can't dribble, shoot, pass or defend; but I think it's a possibility.
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a clean sweep 7-0, we need that third seed record

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Old 02-12-2014, 01:13 PM   #8 (permalink)
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7-0

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But I'm not the only one.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:23 PM   #9 (permalink)
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You may say I'm a dreamer.

But I'm not the only one.
Like you guys - I want 7-0. But I definitely don't think it's going to happen.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:26 PM   #10 (permalink)
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7-0 would go a long way to making me believe in this team. Crushing inferior opposition is a good sign. I expect 5-2, and anything less would really make me think the team should be moving Lowry and cashing out while they can.

Seems to me the only acceptable games to lose are @WAS and vs CHI. ATL is a must win in terms of showing team professionalism and focus going into the break, and they've been awful lately. The rest are garbage teams, and they need to be able to deal with the Wiz at home (or at least steal the road game against them if they are going to screw up at home).
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I could be wrong, but outside of Charlotte, we've taken care of business in regards to teams we should beat. I'd have to fact-check that but it sounds right to me.

I think 5-2 is the floor, but I somewhat expect 6-1 and wouldn't be terribly surprised with 7 -0.

If we want to show we're a true top team in the east, the latter results rather than the former should be our expectation.
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Old 02-12-2014, 01:59 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I could be wrong, but outside of Charlotte, we've taken care of business in regards to teams we should beat. I'd have to fact-check that but it sounds right to me.

I think 5-2 is the floor, but I somewhat expect 6-1 and wouldn't be terribly surprised with 7 -0.

If we want to show we're a true top team in the east, the latter results rather than the former should be our expectation.
Yeah? Lakers are just a really good team. Celtics too. The Kings are absolute world beaters. Overall since the trade we've done well against subpar teams, but in the most recent stretch we've played the Celtics, TWolves, Lakers, Bobcats, 76ers, Magic, Jazz, Pelicans and Kings, and won 5 of 9. Barely over 500 against that murderers' row? Bleh.

I agree - if this is a top team in the East, one loss is the maximum acceptable, especially now that we are in the unofficial second half, where the wins "matter more." Unfortunately, I think we're more pretender than contender, so I expect 2 losses, and more than that would really solidify that opinion.
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Yeah? Lakers are just a really good team. Celtics too. The Kings are absolute world beaters. Overall since the trade we've done well against subpar teams, but in the most recent stretch we've played the Celtics, TWolves, Lakers, Bobcats, 76ers, Magic, Jazz, Pelicans and Kings, and won 5 of 9. Barely over 500 against that murderers' row? Bleh.

I agree - if this is a top team in the East, one loss is the maximum acceptable, especially now that we are in the unofficial second half, where the wins "matter more." Unfortunately, I think we're more pretender than contender, so I expect 2 losses, and more than that would really solidify that opinion.
Whoa, I did say I had to fact-check it and I did mention the Bobcats.

At the same times, some of those games require a little bit of context. I mean, you look at the Lakers game and we were up, by what 20 at one point? We let them back in, get confidence, and lost. To use a cliche, we didn't step on their throats when we should have.

A team like the Kings is a bad match up. Everyone knew that. We'll always struggle against a team with a dominant post player until we find a way to get that ball out of that players hands. But again, that's been discussed to death.

Anyways, quickly looking at how we've done, since December, against sub .500 teams, by my quick calculations (and depending on what you classify as a sub .500 team and when we've played against them) we've gone 11 - 4. So, yeah, we can remember the losses against teams like the Celtics and Lakers or we can say we've beaten teams like the Nets (when they were hot) and beaten bad teams like Milwaukee, Utah, Orlando, New York and say, we've taken care of business.

Anyways it's all moot.
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Old 02-12-2014, 02:19 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Whoa, I did say I had to fact-check it and I did mention the Bobcats.

At the same times, some of those games require a little bit of context. I mean, you look at the Lakers game and we were up, by what 20 at one point? We let them back in, get confidence, and lost. To use a cliche, we didn't step on their throats when we should have.

A team like the Kings is a bad match up. Everyone knew that. We'll always struggle against a team with a dominant post player until we find a way to get that ball out of that players hands. But again, that's been discussed to death.

Anyways, quickly looking at how we've done, since December, against sub .500 teams, by my quick calculations (and depending on what you classify as a sub .500 team and when we've played against them) we've gone 11 - 4. So, yeah, we can remember the losses against teams like the Celtics and Lakers or we can say we've beaten teams like the Nets (when they were hot) and beaten bad teams like Milwaukee, Utah, Orlando, New York and say, we've taken care of business.

Anyways it's all moot.
Sure, I said in my post that our record against sub 500 teams since the trade is pretty good, I was just trying to highlight how bad we've been against terrible teams over the most recent stretch, which is why I'm not expecting 7 wins here. We've coughed up a LOT of gimmes in the last month.

And you have to be careful about context - how much context are you applying to the wins they've gotten? Goes both ways. And giving up a 20 point lead to a terrible team like the Lakers is not exactly a good thing in my books.
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Whoa, I did say I had to fact-check it and I did mention the Bobcats.

At the same times, some of those games require a little bit of context. I mean, you look at the Lakers game and we were up, by what 20 at one point? We let them back in, get confidence, and lost. To use a cliche, we didn't step on their throats when we should have.

A team like the Kings is a bad match up. Everyone knew that. We'll always struggle against a team with a dominant post player until we find a way to get that ball out of that players hands. But again, that's been discussed to death.

Anyways, quickly looking at how we've done, since December, against sub .500 teams, by my quick calculations (and depending on what you classify as a sub .500 team and when we've played against them) we've gone 11 - 4. So, yeah, we can remember the losses against teams like the Celtics and Lakers or we can say we've beaten teams like the Nets (when they were hot) and beaten bad teams like Milwaukee, Utah, Orlando, New York and say, we've taken care of business.

Anyways it's all moot.
I agree it's all just a moo point.

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7-0 would go a long way to making me believe in this team. Crushing inferior opposition is a good sign. I expect 5-2, and anything less would really make me think the team should be moving Lowry and cashing out while they can.
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I think 5-2 is the floor, but I somewhat expect 6-1 and wouldn't be terribly surprised with 7 -0.

If we want to show we're a true top team in the east, the latter results rather than the former should be our expectation.
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I agree - if this is a top team in the East, one loss is the maximum acceptable, especially now that we are in the unofficial second half, where the wins "matter more." Unfortunately, I think we're more pretender than contender, so I expect 2 losses, and more than that would really solidify that opinion.
Well said.

Got to agree with you there. Not being able to win those 4 games (CHA, BOS, SAK, LAL) = not taking care of business against supposed inferior teams. I also highly doubt they get 7-0. If they did that would be phenomenal and would be a turning/rally point to get to 50 wins and/or 3rd place. Would also make the East look a lot better as opposed to only two Eastern teams being good enough to make the top 8 in the East.
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Old 02-12-2014, 02:24 PM   #18 (permalink)
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even beyond the record, is how we played. I can't even recall the last really good game we had, where we played well the entire game, not just 2-3 quarters.

If we go 7-0, it would be beyond amazing, but chicago and the wizards are playing better than us right now and we'll have a very tough time against them. The cavs have been better too lately and orlando just won back to backs against OKC/Indiana. Looking at that schedule, we have 4 easy games where we should go 3-1 or 4-0 and 3 tough games where 1-2/2-1 is the likeliest outcome.

IF we play our best, 6-1 is doable.

I went 4-3, not feeling very optimistic now and the all star break has not been kind to us the last time we were riding high going in (2010) ...
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We've coughed up a LOT of gimmes in the last month.

And you have to be careful about context - how much context are you applying to the wins they've gotten? Goes both ways. And giving up a 20 point lead to a terrible team like the Lakers is not exactly a good thing in my books.
Well said.

The SAK loss was pretty bad too and good teams should do well regardless of the who's wearing the pinstriped tees on the night.
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Old 02-26-2014, 09:58 AM   #20 (permalink)
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7-0 would go a long way to making me believe in this team. Crushing inferior opposition is a good sign. I expect 5-2, and anything less would really make me think the team should be moving Lowry and cashing out while they can.

Seems to me the only acceptable games to lose are @WAS and vs CHI. ATL is a must win in terms of showing team professionalism and focus going into the break, and they've been awful lately. The rest are garbage teams, and they need to be able to deal with the Wiz at home (or at least steal the road game against them if they are going to screw up at home).
Well, Raps are 5-1 so far in this stretch, with only vs WAS to come. They took the @WAS game, so even if they choke at home tomorrow it will still fall in line with my prediction (5-2). That said, taking tomorrow's game would make for a nice 6-1 stretch.
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