Earl Watson for AP and Graham a possibility

SparkPlug · 12-20-2008, 11:16 AM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailyd...dime-081220-21

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The Thunder, meanwhile, continue to make forwards Chris Wilcox and Joe Smith and guard Earl Watson available on the trade front. It's believed that Oklahoma City is simply looking for expiring contracts and/or future first-round picks in exchange; sources say that a deal sending Watson to Toronto for Anthony Parker and Joey Graham is a possibility.

This is not a good trade IMO. Your thoughts?

Stonezz · 12-20-2008, 11:28 AM

Don't like it at all, it better not go down

Jackson Filth · 12-20-2008, 11:39 AM

watson's pretty good defensively. i wouldn't mind him here at all.

problem with that deal is that it completely kills our sg/sf position

if it were to happen, i'd be happy to see roko get burn at the off-guard. haven't really seen him play off the ball, but he's exactly the type of player we need there.

bjjs · 12-20-2008, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jackson Filth

if it were to happen, i'd be happy to see roko get burn at the off-guard. haven't really seen him play off the ball, but he's exactly the type of player we need there.

That's what I'm thinking, the only way we do this deal is if we're confident in Roko's ability to give us 20-25min at the two, or even Watson himself playing the two along with Jose.

Stonezz · 12-20-2008, 11:47 AM

Watson is 6'1 and a 185 pounds, i never EVER want to see this guy play the 2. There is no doubt in my mind he would get abused.

Plus we're losing our best perimeter defender in Parker, and Joey who brings some energy. If BC has a trade lined up for a good swingman then i would be fine with it. But if not were cutting into our already shitty depth at the 2/3 and clogging up the PG spot. Is Watson even a significant upgrade defensively compared to Roko?

The MVP of West Hollywood · 12-20-2008, 11:55 AM

I don't see why we need Watson.

Parker/Graham for Watson/Weaver is alright though. Weaver's a defensive stopper according to Hollinger, and 22.

bjjs · 12-20-2008, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonezz

Watson is 6'1 and a 185 pounds, i never EVER want to see this guy play the 2. There is no doubt in my mind he would get abused.

Plus we're losing our best perimeter defender in Parker, and Joey who brings some energy. If BC has a trade lined up for a good swingman then i would be fine with it. But if not were cutting into our already shitty depth at the 2/3 and clogging up the PG spot. Is Watson even a significant upgrade defensively compared to Roko?

We're getting abused on the perimiter anyways, and Parker is only our best perimeter defender out of default.

Both Dallas and NY start two guard 6 feet or smaller, and it's working out for both of them. Cleveland starts two pgs as well in Mo williams and Delonte West.

Stonezz · 12-20-2008, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs

We're getting abused on the perimiter anyways, and Parker is only our best perimeter defender out of default.

Both Dallas and NY start two guard 6 feet or smaller, and it's working out for both of them. Cleveland starts two pgs as well in Mo williams and Delonte West.

Yeah but without Parker we would get exposed even worst, which is pretty damn sad. N why you comparing Dallas and Cleveland to the Raps, are you forgetting they have TALENT (LBJ,DIRK,HOWARD etc). Do you think Caldy and Watson are comparable to Mo Williams and West?
Oh yeah the Knicks are 11-15, i wouldn't say it's working

BballWatcher · 12-20-2008, 12:42 PM

This does not make sense. We are weak at the guard positions, but the solution is not trading our best SG for another PG. We have Calderon and Ukic already. Not to mention Soloman.

Adding Graham in the deal is just nonsense. It kills our depth and puts us in a desparate position for a second trade. Not a good position to make deals from.

bjjs · 12-20-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Stonezz

Yeah but without Parker we would get exposed even worst, which is pretty damn sad. N why you comparing Dallas and Cleveland to the Raps, are you forgetting they have TALENT (LBJ,DIRK,HOWARD etc). Do you think Caldy and Watson are comparable to Mo Williams and West?
Oh yeah the Knicks are 11-15, i wouldn't say it's working

When you're getting exposed horribly every game, how can you get exposed more by picking up a younger quicker guard. I don't think you guys understand how badly Parker is outmatched every night from an athletic standpoint.

Gurk · 12-20-2008, 01:01 PM

I don't like this trade but it helps out defensivly but we give up 2 wings

Ugo Ferst · 12-20-2008, 01:01 PM

If we made this move, BC is an idiot.

Snooch · 12-20-2008, 01:03 PM

Sorry asss move, but then again, I think alot of writers know that TO is gonna do something, so if their team is offering someone, we are possible partners.

Still waiting for the trade to bring in Belli and Maggette though.......

10gizzle · 12-20-2008, 01:03 PM

I don't know how much BC wants to trade Joey at this point.

He's seriously starting to step up while being one of the only 2 or 3 guys who brings the ruthless aggression every single night [almost].

you dont know me · 12-20-2008, 01:10 PM

i'd be pretty sad if this goes down. but we might be slightly overvaluing our scrubs, lol. when in reality this is actually the most we could get.

TORaptor4Ever · 12-20-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Cortez

I don't know how much BC wants to trade Joey at this point.

He's seriously starting to step up while being one of the only 2 or 3 guys who brings the ruthless aggression every single night [almost].

+1

Ugo Ferst · 12-20-2008, 01:30 PM

Why not trade Joey when we are only scratching the surface of what he could be? Makes perfect sense

**zachus** · 12-20-2008, 01:32 PM

I definitely think we could get Earl Watson for Anthony Parker straight up. That's a ridiculously lopsided trade IMO. Plus the fact there's no glaring need for a point guard.

Stonezz · 12-20-2008, 01:34 PM

Yeah i think AP for Watson is fair

Stonezz · 12-20-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bjjs

When you're getting exposed horribly every game, how can you get exposed more by picking up a younger quicker guard. I don't think you guys understand how badly Parker is outmatched every night from an athletic standpoint.

Watson would get overpowered and shot over with ease

12-20-2008, 11:47 AM	#5 (permalink)
Stonezz is You know the come up, stack get right, put the gun up. laugh get nice, split the blunt up Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,906 Representing:	Watson is 6'1 and a 185 pounds, i never EVER want to see this guy play the 2. There is no doubt in my mind he would get abused. Plus we're losing our best perimeter defender in Parker, and Joey who brings some energy. If BC has a trade lined up for a good swingman then i would be fine with it. But if not were cutting into our already shitty depth at the 2/3 and clogging up the PG spot. Is Watson even a significant upgrade defensively compared to Roko? Last edited by Stonezz; 12-20-2008 at 11:49 AM.

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The MVP of West Hollywood is it's so cold in the d Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 3,148 Representing:	I don't see why we need Watson. Parker/Graham for Watson/Weaver is alright though. Weaver's a defensive stopper according to Hollinger, and 22. Last edited by The MVP of West Hollywood; 12-20-2008 at 11:59 AM.

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12-20-2008, 11:28 AM	#2 (permalink)
Stonezz is You know the come up, stack get right, put the gun up. laugh get nice, split the blunt up Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,906 Representing:	Don't like it at all, it better not go down

12-20-2008, 11:39 AM	#3 (permalink)
Jackson Filth is smelly like poop Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,638 Representing:	watson's pretty good defensively. i wouldn't mind him here at all. problem with that deal is that it completely kills our sg/sf position if it were to happen, i'd be happy to see roko get burn at the off-guard. haven't really seen him play off the ball, but he's exactly the type of player we need there.

12-20-2008, 12:42 PM	#9 (permalink)
BballWatcher is kicking himself for being so emotionally invested in the Roller-coaster Raptors Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 827 Representing:	This does not make sense. We are weak at the guard positions, but the solution is not trading our best SG for another PG. We have Calderon and Ukic already. Not to mention Soloman. Adding Graham in the deal is just nonsense. It kills our depth and puts us in a desparate position for a second trade. Not a good position to make deals from.

12-20-2008, 01:01 PM	#11 (permalink)
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12-20-2008, 01:01 PM	#12 (permalink)
Ugo Ferst is dead inside. Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,352 Representing:	If we made this move, BC is an idiot.

12-20-2008, 01:03 PM	#13 (permalink)
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12-20-2008, 01:03 PM	#14 (permalink)
10gizzle is Luis Scola Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 778 Representing:	I don't know how much BC wants to trade Joey at this point. He's seriously starting to step up while being one of the only 2 or 3 guys who brings the ruthless aggression every single night [almost].

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12-20-2008, 01:30 PM	#17 (permalink)
Ugo Ferst is dead inside. Banned Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 4,352 Representing:	Why not trade Joey when we are only scratching the surface of what he could be? Makes perfect sense

12-20-2008, 01:32 PM	#18 (permalink)
zachus is a Raptors fan Free DeMar DeRozan Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 3,860 Representing:	I definitely think we could get Earl Watson for Anthony Parker straight up. That's a ridiculously lopsided trade IMO. Plus the fact there's no glaring need for a point guard.

12-20-2008, 01:34 PM	#19 (permalink)
Stonezz is You know the come up, stack get right, put the gun up. laugh get nice, split the blunt up Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 2,906 Representing:	Yeah i think AP for Watson is fair