E. Smith on perception of Toronto as an NBA market
Old 01-09-2014, 05:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Perception isn’t always reality.Take, for instance, the comments that one-time Raptor Chris Bosh made to a small group reporters in Miami on Sunday night (published in the*Toronto Sun). Bosh was asked about Toronto’s recent success and rise in the Eastern Conference standings over the last month.“I think the perception will always be the same, which is they’re a team which is north of the border,” he said. “As far as perception is concerned, it will always be the same I think.

It’s just something they have to fight against.”Given the fact that Bosh spent nearly three-quarters of a decade “north of the border”, he should know the reality of Toronto as a city, marketplace and organization within the NBA community. It is one with challenges; no doubt. But are those challenges related to coloured currency and chilly winter weather, or are they directly related to the fact that the Raptors have qualified for the post-season only five times in 18 seasons and are currently mired in a five-year drought?During Bosh’s time in the Great White North, he put up gaudy numbers and, arguably, enjoyed the greatest individual glory of his career.

Playing outside of the United States didn’t seem to matter when “CB-4” was voted-in as an All-Star starter—by fans from around the world—or when coaches across the league lauded the talent and skill of the double-double machine in T.O.But the team underachieved—only making the playoffs twice. Opportunities passed. And Bosh eventually left for Miami while the Raptors struggled with the reality of one second-round appearance in franchise history (a stat that still holds true to this day).

Did Bosh head to the Heat because of the “perception” of the Raptors? Only he knows. But the lack of appearances on big-boy U.S networks like TNT, ABC and ESPN has less to do with Americans’ opinion of Toronto and more to do with winning (or lack there of).To appropriate a line from*Field of Dreams: If you win, they will come.Forget the fact that there are ways to get ESPN in Canada…if you’re a little…errr…’creative.’ Forget that top tax lawyers and accountants have repeatedly downplayed the ugly beast that is Canadian taxation on American players.

And forget the weather in Toronto, which is often no worse than Boston, Chicago, New York and pretty much any other northeastern or central city in the NBA. Winning is what matters.Look at Paul Pierce. He’s playing in a major market like Brooklyn with a deep-pocketed owner, but his Nets are well below .500 and out of the post-season. Anyone think he’d like to change places with Kevin Durant or Paul George?

Those two will be all stars this season and could very well be battling for the NBA championship as well. But they’re stuck in small markets like Oklahoma City and Indianapolis that no player wants to go to? Yeah, right.Losing, it seems, drove Dwight Howard out of Orlando and, eventually, into the Rockets organization (appearances in the playoffs—and even the Finals—be damned).

The Magic weren’t winning enough and D12 wanted a ring, so he bolted. Then, and now, Orlando has warm weather and no state tax. Again, winning is what matters, not beaches and babes.
Bosh missed the point in perception of T.O. - Sportsnet.ca
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So glad someone responded to the comment from the douchebag. It really is laid out pretty clearly here and Bosh has never been a leader. Wonder how all those endorsements he got from playing in miami are working out... oh wait... 8 million? 2 each from nike and 3 others? Even Bargnani made more than 2 million from Primo probabaly and already had nike . Bosh always has been an idiot, he's not michael Jordan and will never make a billion. who the fuck has been lying to Bosh and filling his head with garbage... makes me think of vince. still dislike this ass every time he opens his mouth about toronto.

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Look at Paul Pierce. He’s playing in a major market like Brooklyn with a deep-pocketed owner, but his Nets are well below .500 and out of the post-season. Anyone think he’d like to change places with Kevin Durant or Paul George?

Those two will be all stars this season and could very well be battling for the NBA championship as well. But they’re stuck in small markets like Oklahoma City and Indianapolis that no player wants to go to? Yeah, right.

Losing, it seems, drove Dwight Howard out of Orlando and, eventually, into the Rockets organization (appearances in the playoffs—and even the Finals—be damned). The Magic weren’t winning enough and D12 wanted a ring, so he bolted. Then, and now, Orlando has warm weather and no state tax. Again, winning is what matters, not beaches and babes.

Heck, the sandy shores of Southern California haven’t changed much in decades but the Clippers couldn’t draw flies until Chris Paul came to town. Now a team that was a punchline is a potential powerhouse. It’s the residue of winning.

San Antonio sure isn’t Las Vegas but that hasn’t stopped the Spurs from collecting as many rings as Liberace; Allen Iverson seemed quite fine in the holiday hotbed of Philadelphia; and Glenn Robinson, Sam Cassell and Ray Allen didn’t appear to be phased by the malaise of Milwaukee.

The lists go on. The examples are plentiful. Winning matters.

Winning is not perceived, it’s real. If and when Toronto wins, players won’t care what side of the 49th parallel the Raptors are on.

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So glad someone responded to the comment from the douchebag. It really is laid out pretty clearly here and Bosh has never been a leader. Wonder how all those endorsements he got from playing in miami are working out... oh wait... 8 million? 2 each from nike and 3 others? Even Bargnani made more than 2 million from Primo probabaly and already had nike . Bosh always has been an idiot, he's not michael Jordan and will never make a billion. who the fuck has been lying to Bosh and filling his head with garbage... makes me think of vince. still dislike this ass every time he opens his mouth about toronto.
Wow. Did his comments really make you THAT angry?
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Wow. Did his comments really make you THAT angry?
lol ya they did! I'm kind of proud of the country i live in and the city i used to.
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lol ya they did! I'm kind of proud of the country i live in and the city i used to.
By all accounts Bosh enjoyed Toronto... and I don't think his comments were anywhere near what A. Davis said back in the day.

*shrug*

He may have had his own opinions but at the end of the day he brought it and gave it his all when he was in a Raps uni. Can't hate the dude for that.
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Can't hate the dude for that.
We can hate him for whatever reason we damn well please. Now for me, hate is a strong word. But imo he's a dick. While he was here, i agree he gave it everything and was a very good player. That being said he's been a douche ever since.
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Wow. Did his comments really make you THAT angry?
It made me angry as well. Bosh is a total dick and quite frankly doesn't even have the abilities to back up his big mouth. And the funny thing is that he probably thinks he is being intellectual about it or that he sounds smart when he says his pointless drivel. He sounds like a jackass.
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We can hate him for whatever reason we damn well please. Now for me, hate is a strong word. But imo he's a dick. While he was here, i agree he gave it everything and was a very good player. That being said he's been a douche ever since.
Fuck yes. I can hate ihm for not giving his all and sitting when not hurt bad. I can hate him for lying to the franchise. I can hate him for being a dumb nerd that thinks he's the shit. and I can hate him for being a douche.

And torap its always the same ole same ole with you...I've seen people defend their wife less than you defend bosh.
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We can hate him for whatever reason we damn well please. Now for me, hate is a strong word. But imo he's a dick. While he was here, i agree he gave it everything and was a very good player. That being said he's been a douche ever since.
You're right. Fair enough.

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It made me angry as well. Bosh is a total dick and quite frankly doesn't even have the abilities to back up his big mouth. And the funny thing is that he probably thinks he is being intellectual about it or that he sounds smart when he says his pointless drivel. He sounds like a jackass.
Uhhhh... did you watch the game against POR? Hate the guy if you want... but he definitely has skills.

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Fuck yes. I can hate ihm for not giving his all and sitting when not hurt bad. I can hate him for lying to the franchise. I can hate him for being a dumb nerd that thinks he's the shit. and I can hate him for being a douche.

And torap its always the same ole same ole with you...I've seen people defend their wife less than you defend bosh.
Wha? Tell me you're not talking about when he had a fractured face....

I defend guys against ridiculous criticism. I do the same for DD now. Jeff's right though.... you have every right not to like the guy... just make sure it's for the right reasons and not due to made up shit.
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Jeff's right though.... you have every right not to like the guy... just make sure it's for the right reasons and not due to made up shit.
Who judges what's the right/wrong reason? And no need to make shit up, there is plenty about him to dislike.
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Who judges what's the right/wrong reason? And no need to make shit up, there is plenty about him to dislike.
The suggestion that he sat out the final half dozen games of the season for us when his face was broken is the kind of shit I'm talking about.
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The suggestion that he sat out the final half dozen games of the season for us when his face was broken is the kind of shit I'm talking about.
Well our own GM said as much. I don't believe that, but if some choose to it's not like they're making shit up.
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Well our own GM said as much. I don't believe that, but if some choose to it's not like they're making shit up.
Yeah.... because BC is the source of all truth and he had nothing to gain at all by throwing Bosh under the bus to make himself look better right?

As I recall, doctors confirmed that he had a facial fracture.
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Yeah.... because BC is the source of all truth and he had nothing to gain at all by throwing Bosh under the bus to make himself look better right?

As I recall, doctors confirmed that he had a facial fracture.
Those same doctors apparently cleared him to play, it was up to him and his pain tolerance threshold. Whatever, this is pointless.
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Those same doctors apparently cleared him to play, it was up to him and his pain tolerance threshold. Whatever, this is pointless.
I agree.

Bosh sucks!
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The suggestion that he sat out the final half dozen games of the season for us when his face was broken is the kind of shit I'm talking about.

think the issue is he sat a dozen games with a very mild sprain that, personally, couldn't even spot it on the countless replays. Not saying it wasn't, just that it didn't look all that bad. It also coincided with the return from the all star game and presumably some nice friendly meetings with lebron and wade. And after he return from that injury, he played like shit for the remainder of the season until he broke his nose.

and, to top it off, according to BC, not returning any calls after the season was over until he made his decision public.
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think the issue is he sat a dozen games with a very mild sprain that, personally, couldn't even spot it on the countless replays. Not saying it wasn't, just that it didn't look all that bad. It also coincided with the return from the all star game and presumably some nice friendly meetings with lebron and wade. And after he return from that injury, he played like shit for the remainder of the season until he broke his nose.

and, to top it off, according to BC, not returning any calls after the season was over until he made his decision public.
Lol.... someone needs to go back and check the game logs. Pretty sure that that was the season when he lit up GSW for 44 & 16 or something like that (when Weems stole a pass at the last second and Bosh missed at the end).
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Hate is a pretty strong word for arguably the best Raptor ever who didn't win a round in the playoffs but brought the only banner the Raps have gained by actually accomplishing something.
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Hate is a pretty strong word for arguably the best Raptor ever who didn't win a round in the playoffs but brought the only banner the Raps have gained by actually accomplishing something.
My issues with Bosh aren't for his time while here. My issues are with the way he left and what he's said since. He's been a major douchebag.
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When I think of Bosh, the first thing that comes to my mind is that missed layup against GSW in his last season
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