DX: Raptors A Threat To Miss The Playoffs Now - Page 3
Old 06-27-2008, 06:02 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I don't see much of an issue, we still have potentially 8 mil to work with here to fill in some holes. Really we just have to get a few more wing players and we'll be fine.
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Old 06-27-2008, 06:59 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Your point is what? An exclamation mark?

My point is that all of a sudden things don't seem as positive as they were a day ago when most were saying we were now one of the top teams in the East. Today some are saying we're a 7-8th seed and some are saying that we'll probably miss the playoffs.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:41 PM   #43 (permalink)
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some = one guy who clearly has no clue ... if tomorrow somebody write that SA are too old and they might miss the playoffs, would that convince you ? We are a CLEARLY a better team than 3 days ago, and I have no doubt that we would have made the playoffs with the team we had 3 days ago.

Save this thread for the end of the season when we'll be looking down at the conference from the #1 spot ... It will be as fun as that Jazz thread that was claiming that the Raptors got shafted big time by trading Araujo for KH ...
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:45 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I kinda wonder why so many people are undervaluing Oneal.
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:49 PM   #45 (permalink)
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they are undervaluing because of his injuries in the past and nothing else
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Old 06-27-2008, 07:52 PM   #46 (permalink)
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He had one bad ankle sprain, and a Torn Meniscus that he stubbornly put of getting fixed through surgery, which resulted in a lot of missed games.

It aint like he has a genetic pre-disposition for injury.

Fuck.

He had surgery, rehabbed properly, and is continuing to do so, with a massive chip on his shoulder might I add.

Trust me, he's fine.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:12 PM   #47 (permalink)
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some = one guy who clearly has no clue ... if tomorrow somebody write that SA are too old and they might miss the playoffs, would that convince you ? We are a CLEARLY a better team than 3 days ago, and I have no doubt that we would have made the playoffs with the team we had 3 days ago.

Save this thread for the end of the season when we'll be looking down at the conference from the #1 spot ... It will be as fun as that Jazz thread that was claiming that the Raptors got shafted big time by trading Araujo for KH ...
Read the posts today there are more than one saying we're a 7-8 seed or not a playoff team.
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Old 06-27-2008, 08:20 PM   #48 (permalink)
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I kinda wonder why so many people are undervaluing Oneal.
I don't think it's underevaluating him. I think most are really underestimating his injury issues. Everyone thinks that he's an asset (if healthy) and some have more concerns about it than others. The funny part about all of this is when other deals are made where someone has had a history of injuries most say "that's risky" but if that players a raptor everyone gets defensive saying that fan is wrong or crazy for even thinking about the risk he brings with him.But i guess it's like that with every fan base.

Alot of posts here have alot of if's.And it's a legitimate concern no matter what anyone says.I heard a fan today on the Fan 590 call in and say this was another Hakeem situation. I think he's way off (mainly because of age) but that's a concern some have due to the injury history.I'm now in the mind set of saying i'm happy he's here and hope he stays healthy.
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Old 06-27-2008, 09:08 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Here's the thing about the injuries. He came back too soon. He then played on one leg, and although he wasn't the same guy on offense, he impressed the hell out of me on defense, knowing that he was playing on one leg. So even if we can get 50 games from him on one leg, and really firm up the defense and nothing else, then we've got a much better team that can then build on trying to stay up there beyond JO's stay here.

So if he doesn't regain his form we still move forward and use his contract to take the next step. If he does regain his form, then they experience moving into the elite class a little sooner, and everyone's that much better and wiser along the way.
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Old 06-27-2008, 10:56 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Read the posts today there are more than one saying we're a 7-8 seed or not a playoff team.
yeah, but multiple posts from the same person don't count ...

Here's one thing that irks me ... Last season some fans criticized Bryan because he didn't make waves in the off season. This season we do a blockbuster, but he's still criticized ...

Of course there are risks - no trade of this magnitude is without (unless you are buddies with the other GM ...). But the way I (and many others) see it is like this:

1. if O'Neal is himself, we are a title contender, I don't think there's any question about that.

2. If he's not, we'll be just good, a little better than last season.

3. If he gets injured the first game of the season and never recovers, we will still be good, because we have the same starting team as last season. We have two more years to grab draft picks.

In two years we'll know if Bargnani is a player or not. If he is, than we have 3 all stars again, if he isn't, we let him go and with the expiring of O'Neal we'll have two bona-fide all stars (bosh and jose) and 30 millions in cap space to get a big name.

We won't get lebron no matter what, but we might get wade. Even if we don't get either of them, there's still going to be lots of very good players that we could go after (when they will learn we have money to burn, they will exercise their ETOs in droves ...).

So, to me, this trade is unbelievably for both short term and long term. I understand that feschuk is pissed that he got fooled by colangelo who told him that we will have cap space in 2009, and now we'll only have it in 2010 ... oh, the horror ...
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:49 PM   #51 (permalink)
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This teams gonna be good once the dust settles.

Heres the proof: Just played the new Raptors on NBA live and clobbered Boston by 20 and O'Neal was magnificent!

But seriously, I'm excited to see what happens next year and I think the combination of Bosh and O'Neal will be formidable. I'm sure BC's not done moving and shaking yet either
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Old 06-27-2008, 11:56 PM   #52 (permalink)
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He had one bad ankle sprain, and a Torn Meniscus that he stubbornly put of getting fixed through surgery, which resulted in a lot of missed games.

It aint like he has a genetic pre-disposition for injury.

Fuck.

He had surgery, rehabbed properly, and is continuing to do so, with a massive chip on his shoulder might I add.

Trust me, he's fine.
He's no Grant Hill. Don't worry guys..
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:44 AM   #53 (permalink)
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So comical...

If anyone of you whiners had been told we'd be getting a six time all-star and guy who is a beast down low on both ends in return for the most hated, most injury prone Raptor since Vince Carter, you would've wet yourselves. Now that it's done all you want to do is bitch about how bad we're going to be.
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Old 06-28-2008, 02:28 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Fuck depth. Quality> Depth. The great(or just playoff) teams only play 8 guys generally anyway.

What depth did we trade away? Rasho? Thats one guy. Hes a fantastic backup C but its not gonna decide us getting into the playoffs or not, and its not like BC is just gonna sit on his ass with only 11 guys on our roster right now and a long ways to go.

DX jumped the gun when theyre usually very good with their articles. We made a major team upgrade
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Old 06-28-2008, 03:21 AM   #55 (permalink)
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I still think we really become contenders when we trade that 20 mil expiring in 2 years, but getting 2nd and maybe 3rd round experience will be good for our core and Sam down the road, and Bargnani might become something by then. And if another great player falls into our lap in the meantime (look how little it took to get RJ and Gasol, you just need a shitty franchise to take advantage of) or if BC pulls some magic with his phone, we're right there.
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Old 06-28-2008, 06:33 AM   #56 (permalink)
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peoples,
a powerful frontcourt can do wonders
see spurs, te san antonio.
who did they have back then:
avery johnson, elliot, and duncan and robinson.
i admit duncan robinson is better than bosh/jo, but we have a better frontcourt than anyone else, maybe?
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Old 06-28-2008, 11:30 AM   #57 (permalink)
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i admit duncan robinson is better than bosh/jo, but we have a better frontcourt than anyone else, maybe?
You know, we give too much respect to the past. Maybe the SA guys were better, maybe not. But if they were, it isn't by much. A healthy and motivated O'Neal, and Bosh healthy and ready to go to..... thats pretty damn good.

Three years ago they were the King, and Prince of the paint in the East. Now, the Prince is King, and the King, well, lets just say he's ready to show why he was King again.

(I fucking hope)
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:00 PM   #58 (permalink)
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I don't think it's underevaluating him. I think most are really underestimating his injury issues. Everyone thinks that he's an asset (if healthy) and some have more concerns about it than others. The funny part about all of this is when other deals are made where someone has had a history of injuries most say "that's risky" but if that players a raptor everyone gets defensive saying that fan is wrong or crazy for even thinking about the risk he brings with him.But i guess it's like that with every fan base.

Alot of posts here have alot of if's.And it's a legitimate concern no matter what anyone says.I heard a fan today on the Fan 590 call in and say this was another Hakeem situation. I think he's way off (mainly because of age) but that's a concern some have due to the injury history.I'm now in the mind set of saying i'm happy he's here and hope he stays healthy.
Nonetheless, the thing with this trade is, regardless whether O'Neal is injury prone or not, the centerpiece for Indiana is a point guard who's another neck injury away from retirement, or at least a very long rehab time.

So it's not really apples to apples to consider the injury prone-ness of the guy we're getting without realizing that we're also giving away a guy with injury concerns (serious, career ending ones!), which seriously alters the trade value of the player (TJ).
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:11 PM   #59 (permalink)
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Nonetheless, the thing with this trade is, regardless whether O'Neal is injury prone or not, the centerpiece for Indiana is a point guard who's another neck injury away from retirement, or at least a very long rehab time.

So it's not really apples to apples to consider the injury prone-ness of the guy we're getting without realizing that we're also giving away a guy with injury concerns (serious, career ending ones!), which seriously alters the trade value of the player (TJ).

I agree they are both injury prone. With that being said the Raptors could have gotten a less injury prone player (ie:Wallace) who is alot cheaper (9mil)and addresses scoring off the wing,defence and can get you 7-8RPG.All along keeping our Pick and Rasho (Possibly to use in another trade) It doesn't mean we don't like the O'Neil trade at all but it means just that there other options and some prefer those options.
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Old 06-28-2008, 12:13 PM   #60 (permalink)
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Thats BS.

No way we're missing the playoffs this year. I see good things happening to this team next year. And I think we're too good of a team to miss the playoffs.
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