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Old 06-27-2008, 01:46 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I highly doubt that 8 games under .500 will get you a playoff spot next season
The 8 seed has been under .500 the last 3 years...

But yeah...pick out one erroneous point from my entire post and attack that. Because that was the main idea...

I'm saying the Raptors would have to regress significantly to miss the playoffs. Get it?
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:50 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Our depth is gone?

Hoops, you just mentioned one guy that played about 10 minutes last year and two guys that were in suits 99% of the time.

O'Neal is an upgrade over Rasho, we're better withe Jose starting and a back-up who actually accepts his role as a back-up.

There was also a log jam at the 2/3 last year with Delfino, Kapono, Moon, Graham and Parker, so to me losing one of them is not that huge a blow.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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We could, conceivably, miss the playoffs. It will all, obviously, depend on the health of the major players like Bosh, JO and Caldy - but that's true for any team in the league. As far as the depth is concerned - yes, we were very deep on paper. Unfortunately, there was little to no separation between starters and backups at most positions (all of them, save for PF, really) which in turn prevented the coaching staff from establishing a firm rotation.

I'd rather have a team that has clear starters for at least 4 positions out of five, then 2-4 solid rotation players who know their roles and then the "ready to go on a moment's notice professionals" rounding up the roster. After the trade, we have guaranteed starters at 1, 4 and 5. Assuming Parker is back and BC doesn't get someone who is clearly better than Anthony, he is a lock to start at 2. That's already better than last year.
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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any team can miss the playoffs - but we're just as likely as San Antonio is ...
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Old 06-27-2008, 01:54 PM   #25 (permalink)
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We could, conceivably, miss the playoffs. It will all, obviously, depend on the health of the major players like Bosh, JO and Caldy - but that's true for any team in the league. As far as the depth is concerned - yes, we were very deep on paper. Unfortunately, there was little to no separation between starters and backups at most positions (all of them, save for PF, really) which in turn prevented the coaching staff from establishing a firm rotation.

I'd rather have a team that has clear starters for at least 4 positions out of five, then 2-4 solid rotation players who know their roles and then the "ready to go on a moment's notice professionals" rounding up the roster. After the trade, we have guaranteed starters at 1, 4 and 5. Assuming Parker is back and BC doesn't get someone who is clearly better than Anthony, he is a lock to start at 2. That's already better than last year.
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:03 PM   #26 (permalink)
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I do. Our depth was our calling card. Now with TJ, Rasho, Garbo, Baston, Delfino, Brezec gone, and only up O'Neal, BC has A LOT of work to do. I wouldn't be surprised if we did miss the playoffs.

Last year Baston,Garbo,Brezec never played! And this our depth is our calling card BS only got us to .500. So out of all those depth players we lost Rasho (replaced by O'neil, who everyone blew a load over yesterday) and Delfino.The rest never played much and some not at all (Garbo).
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:14 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I do. Our depth was our calling card. Now with TJ, Rasho, Garbo, Baston, Delfino, Brezec gone, and only up O'Neal, BC has A LOT of work to do. I wouldn't be surprised if we did miss the playoffs.
of the six you mention, only three has any pt.

Of that three, one was mos effective when he was on the injured list.

thats leaves us a nig guy, replaced by a way better big guy.


So really.

Toronto is losing Delfino, thats it.

And half of you do nothing but rip him.

So, in essence, whats has ben lost, really?
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Our depth is gone?

Hoops, you just mentioned one guy that played about 10 minutes last year and two guys that were in suits 99% of the time.

O'Neal is an upgrade over Rasho, we're better withe Jose starting and a back-up who actually accepts his role as a back-up.

There was also a log jam at the 2/3 last year with Delfino, Kapono, Moon, Graham and Parker, so to me losing one of them is not that huge a blow.
I'm not discounting the fact that O'Neal is an upgrade over Rasho. I love the move for O'Neal. You know that, Acie.

I'm just looking at the losses of Ford, Delfino and let's say a healthy Garbo. The other guys - Brezec, Graham, Baston are non factors.

Conceivably, you need a good 8-9 man rotation. Guys 10-12 don't really matter
So, our 8 turns out to be:

Bosh
O'Neal
Bargnani
Calderon
Parker
Moon
Kapono
Humphries

Like last year, I think a lot depends on the development of Andrea. We're an okay team, but I definitely wouldn't put us in the upper tier of the Eastern Conference. We're lacking something. I can't put my finger on it though.
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:17 PM   #29 (permalink)
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you cant put your finger on it becuse it aint there.

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Old 06-27-2008, 02:17 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:18 PM   #31 (permalink)
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you cant put your finger on it becuse it aint there.

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Old 06-27-2008, 02:21 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Conceivably, you need a good 8-9 man rotation. Guys 10-12 don't really matter
So, our 8 turns out to be:

Bosh
O'Neal
Bargnani
Calderon
Parker
Moon
Kapono
Humphries
I actually like those 8 quite a bit. All minus Hump. He really shouldn't be an everyday player until he gets some common sense knocked into him and stops trying to take over games offensively. Now BC will bring in someone else. at least one or two more guys. That i would take to the bank.

Really now, with the exception of Hump, all of those players are NBA starters / potential starters. that's good! One or two more solid players and it's even better!
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I'm not discounting the fact that O'Neal is an upgrade over Rasho. I love the move for O'Neal. You know that, Acie.

I'm just looking at the losses of Ford, Delfino and let's say a healthy Garbo. The other guys - Brezec, Graham, Baston are non factors.

Conceivably, you need a good 8-9 man rotation. Guys 10-12 don't really matter
So, our 8 turns out to be:

Bosh
O'Neal
Bargnani
Calderon
Parker
Moon
Kapono
Humphries

Like last year, I think a lot depends on the development of Andrea. We're an okay team, but I definitely wouldn't put us in the upper tier of the Eastern Conference. We're lacking something. I can't put my finger on it though.

We're lacking another scorer/slasher (putting moon on the bench) and a DECENT back up PG
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Old 06-27-2008, 02:23 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Like before, it all depends on Andrea. If Andrea can come out with guns ablazin' and develops the way we expect him to, I think we'll be in very good shape, but if he doesn't, this team can turn into average in a hurry. I still think we'll be a #6-8 seed.
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a wing man that can get 16ppg and create his own shot is what we need.
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a wing man that can get 16ppg and create his own shot is what we need.
lol. yeah sure man. no problem. we should be able to get one of those for the vet minimum, or by trading Joey and Hump... Hell, I may even have a couple of guys like that lying around in my shed in the back yeard!
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Missing the playoffs is a real possibility for every team that made it last year, in the east or west. Nobody has that much depth that they can handle losing one of their top players for the season at no risk.

I think the Raptors should be able to not be so reliant on two positions alone, and then putter along with a bunch of depth in the other positions where no real impact is made all the same. Now with three solid positions filled, the depth that remains can really benefit. Guys like Parker and Bargnani are not going to feel as much pressure to do more than they really can, and by actually being left to do what they can they will bring more to games than they did last season. Kapono is going to have more opportunities. Jamario will have more to feed off of on both ends of the court.

And most importantly, the team will have a solid sense of what they have to do to win every game. They will have a clear identity. The depth that remains will be able to fall in line knowing just what they need to do, and they won't have to worry about filling the same kind of role as somebody else, since roles should become a little more specialized with there being a much greater difference between the starters and the bench than previously experienced.
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lol. yeah sure man. no problem. we should be able to get one of those for the vet minimum, or by trading Joey and Hump... Hell, I may even have a couple of guys like that lying around in my shed in the back yeard!
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Old 06-27-2008, 04:29 PM   #39 (permalink)
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lol. Yeah Sure Man. No Problem. We Should Be Able To Get One Of Those For The Vet Minimum, Or By Trading Joey And Hump... Hell, I May Even Have A Couple Of Guys Like That Lying Around In My Shed In The Back Yeard!
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Like before, it all depends on Andrea. If Andrea can come out with guns ablazin' and develops the way we expect him to, I think we'll be in very good shape, but if he doesn't, this team can turn into average in a hurry. I still think we'll be a #6-8 seed.
That's just it - they don't need to have those expectations this season. That will be the nice bonus that can happen with much less pressure. Last season it just had to happen. He needed to take on a new role, a much bigger role, and figure out how to make it fit. Now he just has to play well and figure out how to contribute to what is there, and what can already be enough even if he isn't on his A-game all the time.
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