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Old 01-31-2013, 09:13 AM   #1 (permalink)
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We know why the Raptors want Rudy Gay. He looked like a real comer back in 2006, but he’s done absolutely nothing besides look the part of an All-Star while offering the production of an average player. When you factor in the history that suggests he’ll be taking shots away from players who do more productive things with the ball offensively, this average turn might trend down into the realm of the negative. Toss in his maximum contract and … another winner, Bryan Colangelo!...

While giving up that rarest of commodities — a versatile big man with scoring touch working off a tiny rookie contract. Davis has significantly improved in 2012-13, averaging 14.5 points and 6.8 rebounds for every 36 minutes he plays while shooting 55 percent. Because he takes five more shots over the 36-minute term, a function of play-calling differences between Memphis and Toronto, Rudy Gay averages 16.9 points per 36 minutes, with 5.8 boards. While making more than $14 million more than Davis will this season.

Once Aaron Gray and Linas Kleiza pick up their player options for next season, the Raptors will be over the luxury tax featuring a core of Gay, DeMar DeRozan and Andrea Bargnani. Three players that nobody seems to covet outside of the offices of Raptors GM Colangelo. Of course, the team could decline to keep Kyle Lowry’s non-guaranteed contract around, but that would leave the Raps with absolutely no point guards outside of John Lucas III — so named because he’s (and this isn’t a shot) always the best third-string point guard in the NBA.

Think of this deal for Toronto in terms that exclude specifics. The franchise had a competent point guard with a massive expiring contract and a very talented 23-year-old center who is working on a rookie deal paying him less than half of the NBA’s average salary. They turned those assets into Gay, who they’ll pay more than $37 million to over the next two years. Missteps don’t come much more obvious than this.

Rudy Gay is sent to Toronto in a three-team deal that doesn?t look all that great for Toronto | Ball Don't Lie - Yahoo! Sports
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:32 AM   #2 (permalink)
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lol and another Toronto Basher...

We gave up a expiring contract who gonna walk anyway and a PF who was a after thought as a corner stone of any trade just months ago for a top 5 SF in the league.

good job...
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Everyone of these people that writes these stupid articles (most anyway) all talk about money, and how much we have to pay him... who gives a shit... we've never been able to do anything with having capspace. MLSE can take the hit for once, fuck them.
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Old 01-31-2013, 09:40 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Wtf does it matter what happened "months ago"?! When il chubbo got our opposition unstoppably hot.
How can you buy this weak BC BS?!
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Was there this much outrage when Memphis signed Gay to that extension?

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Ed Davis is a C now? Geez, these people just don't know. Nothing against Ed, but he's being blown up to be better than he actually is.
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Ed Davis is a C now? Geez, these people just don't know. Nothing against Ed, but he's being blown up to be better than he actually is.
A bit of both. Davis was FINALLY playing well after doing next to nothing for years. He was a good C this year. Remember the center position has evolved into basically a second power forward.

BC traded him when his stock was the highest.

And although everyone is entitled to their opinion, there is only one way to judge this trade. After 20 games.
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Old 01-31-2013, 10:43 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I'm tired of this reaction, the Raptors picked up arguably a top 5 SF for two pieces we had no plans to keep this summer. Are we over-paying for Rudy Gay in terms of his max deal? Yes, but I always see posts on this forum about BC creating all this financial flexibility and doing nothing with it; this is finally something.

We've always said that in order to land a FA we'd have to overpay, and even that didn't work including when we had Bosh. And in case some of you didn't notice, a star level talent SF isn't available very often. We missed out on Iggy, so Gay it is.

I'm happy with this trade. I know it doesn't fix us, or make us better NOW, but it puts us in a position where we can create a team that does better than an 8th spot with a few moves and that's what I want.
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Ed Davis is a C now? Geez, these people just don't know. Nothing against Ed, but he's being blown up to be better than he actually is.
He is a little bit overrated, but isn't it good for the Raptors ? the deal is done.
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I'm tired of this reaction, the Raptors picked up arguably a top 5 SF for two pieces we had no plans to keep this summer. Are we over-paying for Rudy Gay in terms of his max deal? Yes, but I always see posts on this forum about BC creating all this financial flexibility and doing nothing with it; this is finally something.

We've always said that in order to land a FA we'd have to overpay, and even that didn't work including when we had Bosh. And in case some of you didn't notice, a star level talent SF isn't available very often. We missed out on Iggy, so Gay it is.

I'm happy with this trade. I know it doesn't fix us, or make us better NOW, but it puts us in a position where we can create a team that does better than an 8th spot with a few moves and that's what I want.
Agree
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A bit of both. Davis was FINALLY playing well after doing next to nothing for years. He was a good C this year. Remember the center position has evolved into basically a second power forward.

BC traded him when his stock was the highest.

And although everyone is entitled to their opinion, there is only one way to judge this trade. After 20 games.
Can totally get on board with this view. Ed was running hot. Gay is a guy that is very good and is still expected to be better! I think that's a good thing! Ed has been very good, but I'm not sure how many people look at him and see star potential any more than they look at JJ Hickson, Amir Johnson, Jason Thompson, Carl Landry, Tristan Thompson, Jason Maxiel, Anthony Randolph, etc.... He could be better than all or just fit somewhere in between. Gay can be great, let's hope he does become that.
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He is a little bit overrated, but isn't it good for the Raptors ? the deal is done.
agreed, it's done and I'm happy, it's a great trade for all three teams.
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agreed, it's done and I'm happy, it's a great trade for all three teams.

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lol and another Toronto Basher...

We gave up a expiring contract who gonna walk anyway and a PF who was a after thought as a corner stone of any trade just months ago for a top 5 SF in the league.

good job...
Gay hasn't really been top 5 SF but in general i agree. It's a nice trade. Sell high, buy low.

But it kind of begs for a follow up trade. Gay is more of a 2pt shooter. DeRozan can't shoot 3s. The will need Ross to step up and earn a big role. Otherwise spacing will be a problem, especially when Bargs sits.
It's time for a DeRozan trade. Any of Josh Smith/Millsap/Al Jefferson/Pekovic for DeRozan/picks would do.

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gay may not be a 3pt shooter, although he's decent from there, but he's sure a far better 3pt shooter than our current starting SF ... (before atlanta)
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gay may not be a 3pt shooter, although he's decent from there, but he's sure a far better 3pt shooter than our current starting SF ... (before atlanta)
Honestly he's currently our 2nd best 3pt shooter behind Lowry (Anderson won't get minutes now). Sorry Bargnani fans but the last two seasons he's shooting 30 3PT%. Yeeeesh
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I'm tired of this reaction, the Raptors picked up arguably a top 5 SF for two pieces we had no plans to keep this summer. Are we over-paying for Rudy Gay in terms of his max deal? Yes, but I always see posts on this forum about BC creating all this financial flexibility and doing nothing with it; this is finally something.

We've always said that in order to land a FA we'd have to overpay, and even that didn't work including when we had Bosh. And in case some of you didn't notice, a star level talent SF isn't available very often. We missed out on Iggy, so Gay it is.

I'm happy with this trade. I know it doesn't fix us, or make us better NOW, but it puts us in a position where we can create a team that does better than an 8th spot with a few moves and that's what I want.
+1 Great post
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Honestly he's currently our 2nd best 3pt shooter behind Lowry (Anderson won't get minutes now). Sorry Bargnani fans but the last two seasons he's shooting 30 3PT%. Yeeeesh
which is pretty sad and needs fixing.

Bargnani's spacing still has a lot of value even if he's not very efficient at the moment. He still has to be respected. And if you are playing lets say Utah, who would you rather draw away from the paint - their SG (Foye) or their PF (Millsap/Favors)?

But in general this team needs to consider adding some legit shooters and clearing the way for Ross.
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Honestly he's currently our 2nd best 3pt shooter behind Lowry (Anderson won't get minutes now). Sorry Bargnani fans but the last two seasons he's shooting 30 3PT%. Yeeeesh
on a team without any other shooters.... before now. Some perspective please. Sheeesh.

Gay adds immensely to DD, hopefully he won't feel the need to try and dribble through doubles so much. This is only a good thing.
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I can't remember where i read it now, think it was on here, (bill?) saying bargs' game could suit gay? the premise being he doesn't clog the lane and will allow gay to get to the rim, his more natural game. I think that's true of the raps in general. Memphis' bigs REALLY do clog the lane, z-bo and gasol don't leave much space for slashing.

more opportunistic scorers like val and the boy we gave up for gay wouldn't stop gay getting to the rim either imo. So if we do trade Bargs which i still think is for the best we should match val with a similar style PF. A good rebounder, who can score when the chance presents itself and hopefully good post defender as well. A lot to ask for i know! Another 3-teamer!?

so, my cautious optimism is coming on the premise that gay will take 3 or 4 less shots per game and also get to the hoop more and keep his stats pretty much where they are now. I.e his fg% will jump from 41-42% to 44-46%

i wasn't loving this trade a few weeks ago but we didn't give up much and amir can do the job at PF or we can trade for one. we really do need to trade Bargs and hopefully DD, much as i like him.

i'm hopeful.........
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