Dwyer on what Colangelo left behind
Old 06-27-2013, 03:27 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Colangelo was probably right in his hope that a healthy season for all of his acquisitions would result in making perhaps the eighth seed of the 2014 playoffs, especially if corrective eye surgery (this isnít a joke) for Rudy Gay improves his shot selection and shooting percentages. The Raptors are set to pay the luxury tax next season, though, if they bring everyone back. You donít pay the luxury tax for eighth seeds, and even well-heeled organizations like MLSE shouldnít have to pay $72 million for 41 wins.

This is why Ujiri is likely attempting to blow things up. Remember, this is the man who built a hoped-for championship contender around Andre Iguodala, who despite sharing Gay and Demar DeRozenís woes with long-range shots, suits up as sort of an anti-Rudy Gay. Stat-minded, younger NBA executives and observers donít really fancy anyone on the Raptor roster save for young center Jonas Valunciunas and Kyle Lowry (and even Lowry is pushing it, by clashing with seemingly every coach heís ever met), and it isnít a stretch to assume that Ujiri shares that opinion.

The problem is the landscape in NBA GM-dom is changing, and the new Raps GM isnít likely to find as many takers for Rudy Gayís two years and $37 million left on his deal as he would have five years ago. Eliminating ties with Colangelo is one thing, signing up for a rebuilding job is another. Actually finding two to tango, as you attempt to move players along? Thatís a toughie.
(Even if Joe Dumars, Ernie Grunfeld, and Billy King are just a phone call away.)

Ujiri wonít have a pick in this yearís draft, because Colangelo (in not all that bad a move) dealt it for Lowry. Valunciunas is a keeper, but young big man Ed Davis was sent away for Rudy Gay, and Andrea Bargnani and DeRozan are already on their second contracts Ė set to make a ridiculous combined $22.25 million next season. The Raptors can dive under the luxury tax by waiving either Bargnani or Linas Kleiza with the amnesty provision, but acquiring trade partners for the other players wonít be as easy as, say, acquiring a draft pick in Thursdayís draft.

Tough gig, Masai Ujiri. You donít need consulting, you need comforting.
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Old 07-02-2013, 03:38 AM   #2 (permalink)
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All right, Colangelo gone, Bargnani gone
Lux tax problems can be solved by Kleiza amnesty
Mess is clearing up.


Point guard situation is next probably. If Kyle stays, need a good backup PG, if he doesn't, we only have MLE money to offer some free agent. Or trade Demar
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Old 07-02-2013, 04:19 AM   #3 (permalink)
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that may be true but whats our record with rudy gay in the lineup

your telling me Memphis couldn't have used him against the spurs, they had no scoring from the 2 or 3, they literally had to go to pondexter for scoring

rudy is a value player, there is a lot of guys over paid in this league, with the right contract you would say he is in the 12 to 15 million range as a player, so what if he is contract goes up to 19

are we better off with, demar derozan, kleiza, and fields or having rudy gay, alan Anderson, and another 1.5 million dollar player

just because one players contract is high doesn't mean you cant be smart and sign some low contract players around the more expensive one balance our the roster


nba is about having stars, they win and rudy maybe not be in the top tier but he is def in the next tier of players

either way yoru going to have to spend some money some where, i'm pretty sure Raptors can afford to have 1 max guy, and couple of mid level guys on the roster

by the way I like the warriors mentality, make sure you have 5 guys that can play and not worry about building a deep roster because if your top 5 guys aren't good enough to win then whats the point of making your bench deep in the first place

the pacers also prescribe to this theory
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rudy is a value player, there is a lot of guys over paid in this league, with the right contract you would say he is in the 12 to 15 million range as a player, so what if he is contract goes up to 19
People in the 12-15 range are all stars (e.g. Deng, Harden, Pierce, Iggy) or considered massively overpaid themselves (e.g. Ben Gordon).

I think he's paid ~double, his range is more 10 mil and under. Guys like Gallinari, Batum, Kirilenko, Jeff Green... And Rudy arguably has been worse than these guys lately.
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i'd like to see that argument to show me how he's been worse and has less of a court presence than those guys.
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He's less efficient than all of those guys, and a worse defender than most of them (debatable re Gallinari).

Gay's selling point would be pure quantity of shots and points. So it depends how much you value volume scoring vs. efficiency and other parts of the game.
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He's less efficient than all of those guys, and a worse defender than most of them (debatable re Gallinari).

Gay's selling point would be pure quantity of shots and points. So it depends how much you value volume scoring vs. efficiency and other parts of the game.
Can you spin more negatively? Scoring over efficiency I'll give you that but seriously...
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This is an old article from last Thursday...
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Can you spin more negatively? Scoring over efficiency I'll give you that but seriously...
Where's the negative part? It's a list of very good players, if you saw them last year. Gay is a good player overall, and so are those guys.

For example, this is Jeff Green in the second half of last season:



Very good defense too.

He started poorly, which is only natural for someone who missed a year because of a serious health issue.

But that's a very good player. There's nothing negative at all in comparing Gay to that.

None of these guys are / were all stars but all of them have a shot if the chips fall right.

It's only natural to be a bit protective of the Raptors players, but it doesn't mean that all the comparable players on other teams suck.
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People in the 12-15 range are all stars (e.g. Deng, Harden, Pierce, Iggy) or considered massively overpaid themselves (e.g. Ben Gordon).

I think he's paid ~double, his range is more 10 mil and under. Guys like Gallinari, Batum, Kirilenko, Jeff Green... And Rudy arguably has been worse than these guys lately.
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He's less efficient than all of those guys, and a worse defender than most of them (debatable re Gallinari).

Gay's selling point would be pure quantity of shots and points. So it depends how much you value volume scoring vs. efficiency and other parts of the game.
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Can you spin more negatively? Scoring over efficiency I'll give you that but seriously...
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Amnesty can be used July 11-17......will we use it?
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Amnesty can be used July 11-17......will we use it?
I'd bet on Kleiza - frees up a little flexibility this year and doesn't represent long term sunk cost.
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Amnesty can be used July 11-17......will we use it?
I actually don't even know anymore, about a month ago i was sure we are going to amnesty Kleiza
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LKZ could be a valuable expiring but amnestying him would be good too.
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Amnestying Kleiza + using the stretch provision on Fields frees up about 8mil I believe?
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With ab gone, amnestying lk is a no brainer.
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Amnestying Kleiza + using the stretch provision on Fields frees up about 8mil I believe?
That would be terrible.. I thought the rumor of using stretch provision on Fields died the moment we traded AB?
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With ab gone, amnestying lk is a no brainer.
If we are blowing this up, keeping him makes seance. That expiring is going to be sexy to a lot of teams.
Especially having in mind that he was Healthy forever now (second half of the season) but BC/Casey chose not to play him. Shooter like LK on expiring can easily be traded.
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Shooter like LK on expiring can easily be traded.
No doubt, but i have a feeling MU wants to target someone specific on FA market, and in this case LK expiring has no use
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Whether Kleiza is amnestied or kept as an expiring, and whether Fields is stretched or kept, will depend a lot on what exact moves are planned. Fields being stretched is a terrible idea in my head - but it could be that there is a move to be made that requires the team to stay below the tax apron, and maybe that extra flexibility allows that.

So for now, I'd say anything can happen. But the most straightforward scenarios are a) keep everybody to be used in trades or b) amnesty Kleiza to free up flexibility and keep Fields so as not to tie up long term cap.
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